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    Noah_Hero reacted to MidnightRunner in FENRIR   
    Hi @Mino,

    I have reviewed your original ban and subsequent appeal.
    You were banned in May 2020 for what I'll describe as hate speech.

    Upon your March 2021 appeal being unsuccessful you doubled down on the language used and had your forum account banned.
    A ban such as this is not overturned lightly if ever, and even then not in such a short timeframe.
     
    At this time I have no reason to believe that your behaviour will change.
    Therefore I see no reason to believe that this appeal is different.
     
    BAN APPEAL UNSUCCESFULL
     
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    Noah_Hero reacted to Nibbs in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    I normally try to avoid drama, but this seems important enough to weigh in so here is my 1 and only post on the topic:
     
    This... a thousand times, this...

    Just reading through the posts, it's clear that the issue isn't the rules, it's the communication, that people don't feel that they're being listened to in full and their comments taken on board. Don't let this become an issue scraped under the carpet with a solution of "We'll review the rules".

    Regarding should the issue have been raised? Absolutely, it's something that needed clarifying
    Should there have been any punishments or bad feeling generated from this in any direction? Absolutely not, common sense rules that this is no different to using another servers squad xml when playing. It's automated and not intentional.

    That's all that needed to happen, just that. Instead we clearly have a huge communication issue leaving everyone feel aggrieved.
     
    I am deeply sorry to see so many wonderful members of the team leave, they will all be greatly missed, and I hope to see them again some day, but I understand that feelings run deep and it can be hard to settle differences, and to recognise where apologies are owed. I just hope we learn the right lessons from this.
     
     - Andy / Nibbs99
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    Noah_Hero got a reaction from Mikael in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    I generally agree, but if it is not forbidden it is allowed.
    And I am a big fan of enforcing the rules exactly as written. Not any more, not any less.
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    Noah_Hero reacted to Gambit in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    @Noah_Hero my sources and the information about attaining certain perks with those medals came from outside of AW, just to make it clear... i didnt take it as face value, i trust those who gave me the information, but im fully aware the information could be and very well might be either outdated, or second hand, hence i stressed the point of due process
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    Noah_Hero reacted to Gambit in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    agree, but thats not on CS
     
    did you ever discuss with regulars or plain members what was happening in a player ban? because its the same, just one or two levels beyont plain member.... on the same resonsibility and power level information should not be passed around, only a higher power can pass judgement...
     
     
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    Noah_Hero reacted to MidnightRunner in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    That's a fair account. I did lose my cool at times yesterday.
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    Noah_Hero reacted to GhostDragon in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    I can attest that the way this was handled was..... lacking from the start. For example most of CS didnt even know about the report when the initial action was taken. This made it hard for us to be united on the decision, when as rightly said it seemed half arsed and came under ridicule. 
     
    The issue from then was more the fact that peoples minds had been made up because they had seen the report and in their own groups decided on a virdict. 
     
    The issue for me initially was "This process needs to be fair and look at all the evidence" from that me and midnight discussed it in CS channel and were in agreement that the action taken was potentially too early and needed further investigation, as such that is what we did, we discussed with all parties that were relevent to the report and used the evidence that was brought up after the initial report also. Can i see where a "recruitment ruling" came into it? Sure. Did me and other members of the core staff community also find evidence that there was none. Yes. This was why ultimately we decided that taking any action was too far. 
     
    The notion that this is a case simply of simply sharing an discord link on EU1. Or anything of that nature is plainly wrong. This was a complex situation that, in my opinion having been dealt with properly, could have been handled in a week with a simple "ok we will keep an eye on it" Type of thing. Had all the evidence been presented in the investigation of the report and before it had been actioned, we wouldnt be here because all the evidence would have come forward we would have come to it from a neutral position (as was eventually done) evidence would have been gathered and a united response put to the reportee, staff and anyone else that was relevent to the enquiry. 
     
    From a personal side i would like to note i have been here a while and i remember being a mod, admin and player. The community is fun and i have always been here through it all for the players and my honest drive is to be fair and listen to anyone about anything then coming to a fair but firm conclusion. Not for any other reason than that is how i would want to be treated. I will never apologise for fighting for the rules and investigations to be actioned in a fair manner that is consistent and fair for everyone. For, if i can not be fair with the rules i encourage us to follow, how can i expect the rest of the team to follow those same rules.
    Due to the way the report was initially handled we were fighting a battle where everyones minds were already made. We were not ignoring the problem as you say, we were dealing with the report in the proper way. While i was also working late in a new job that im still getting to grips with that meant that the time i did have available was not instant and a lot of the delay was due to that. 
     
    It should have been. Since it was a Admin report that is how they are meant to be handled and that is why they are in a restricted area of the forums. 
     
     
    the rules apply to all FAIRLY. 
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    Noah_Hero reacted to Gambit in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    You all know me, im not chiming in on everything on the forums, and when i do i usually make some ppl mad, thats almost a given, but you cant make scrambled eggs without breaking some (l)eggs, so here are my 2 cents, as a simple member who cares.
     
    I understand both sides of the argument, and without pulling in personal experience from interactions with the multitude of ppl i met here and my personal conclusions about said ppl's characters, i agree with the CS decision, although it is definitely a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" case. It should be clear, accusations are not enough, no matter how strongly we agree with said accusations and how strongly we feel its right. It would be nice, but sadly, we cant. I would have been banned for multiple lifetimes on the grounds of pissing ppl off if that would be the case

    On the united front of CS, well @Xwatt, me and you go way back on disagreeing and agreeing on millions of things, and with your phrasing i cant agree. The drama lama is dancing amongst CS and you chose your words poorly in this instance painting a dark tone future. Cheer up bud, everything will be allright.
     
    Personally i think the ppl will prevail, friendships will survive, and to be fair... i dont give a f*ck about who plays where and with who. On the other hand, if somebody has a role, and accepts a certain package of responsibilities in another community i find it hardly beliveable to uphold two rule sets on two communities, have the same amount of focus and enthusiasm on both places at the same time, and with every job, if you cant do it you are either honest about it and say it, step down.
     
    I, personally, think, no matter what, a CS decision should be respected, im pretty sure they put their time in it (just looking at how much time has passed since the report and the conclusion, seeing the core staff channel filled, mods being kidnapped from other channels with the sentence of "hey, do you have a minute to talk"), and we all have lives, jobs, that demands our attention, and just to remind everyone, CS was chosen specifically because of their skillset to juggle their responsibilities, so blaming CS for "the lack of swift action" is uncalled for. Please be respectful as you called everyone to do so, and as former CS you should know what its like to have responsibilities on multiple fronts, how much sacrifice is goint into maintaining a community. Plus if its not an open and shut case, discussions has to happen, the more ppl involved the longer the discussions will take, etc etc. Whats more important, stopping the drama quickly or being thorough, cant have both, back to damned if you do damned if you dont.
     
    Blaming gamenight player turnout on the commmunity being torn apart by petty drama and bruised egos is another thing. Before the whole drama, gamenights had different turnouts, i have my reasons why i dont attend every gamenight, but to list a few, theme is not interesting for me (lasers and arma doesnt mix for me), some mission expectations are a no for me (ie pvp focused, forced to something i dont want to), i dont enjoy the zeus' playstyle running the gamenight, im fed up with arma in general for a week, installed game i have in my library since 2013 and booted it up for the first time and got sucked into it, and the list goes on.
    Ppl look for big scale operatons, more milsim, etc, and yet the gamenights were frequently disrespected, "just for the memes", doing stupid things like mass tk at the end, etc. Thats why the turnouts are low, trust was ruined by differing expectations, not because we cant have more milsim, or cant have big scale missions, and need to find another community to satisfy that need. To be fair, i dont want to sit and do hoops in virtual boot camp, once was enough. I strongly advise ppl who crave for that to get off yer ass and find the neares recruiting office and sign up for real. If i wanted ppl to call me sir every damn minute, i would have never left. Thats my take on tryhard milsim armchair generals. Wanna do it like for real? Do it for real then.
     
    On the transparency note, it goes both ways. If you dont tell CS when there might be potential conflict of interest, there will be fallout when (not if, its a when because ppl will talk) they find out. If you dont have anything to hide,.... thats up for the reader's interpretation. Ive been open about playing other games, with other ppl, or other servers if ppl ask (i know, sacrilege) and i dont hold, never intend to, any responsible position in this community other than being the guy who says stuff nobody dares to. I can understand not spreading the drama far and wide, contain it to staff who has to make a decision, nobody else, just like the ban appeals. (i might be partially better off than most of ya, im not in discord so i missed the daily *pling, pling* drama updates and side dms of "have you heard..", i have enough drama in my life hence why im not on discord)
     
    Blaming CS for NOT discussing the whole drama WHILE the investigation and conversations WAS STILL IN PROGRESS is a bad route to go down. I would much rather have a clear, consice decision, with clear path on how CS ended up on a decision then have constant update and backtracking on previous updates about the drama while in progress just to shove it out the doors and inform everyone hows it going. Im pretty sure thats what made ppl fed up with the issue and just tired to the point when they dont even want to log on, cuz they dont want another "hey have you heard that x told..."
    For example, if i get banned i would much rather have an explanation from yall why, instead of me looking at a forum link to appeal a ban and explain why i think its unjust (i dont think i need to bring up specific cases, right?). I can stand behind CS decision of innocent until proven guilty and the proof of burden lies with the accusator instead of the accused, proper examination of evidence instead of rushed decision because thats what the community wants. I have seen thousands of situations in my career where you leave the decision up to the masses it will always produce a huge bias. Its not about whats right, its about what can be proven.

    On the other hand i find it funny that outreach doing the reverse outreach instead of trying to implement what other playstyle you want here. I mean, cmon, the whole point of EU1 is if you want to play a certain style, you will find some random ppl wanting the same tagging along, how much harder is it to ask whos in, lets do it... or at least try. Much harder to build something from nothing, than get in on something already built. But thats just my opinion.
     
    On the front of "divide within CS" and "not a monarchy", well, thats what democracy is, there will always be divide amongst ppl, even on the smallest and most meaningless matters. If you call for a united front of CS, thats a dictatorship in disguise. Whos voice should be the one to follow? The problem lies with ppl not handling said divide, just "you dont agree with me? well see ya then...poof" instead of trying to reach a concensus and understand every move is a precedent setting case, rules applied, community will look back years later for guidance.
     
    Its said to see ppl go, oldtimers aswel. Not everything will ever go however you want it, and the sooner yall accept it, the sooner yall get over the drama lama. Welcome to real life. I know this will hurt some feelings, and you all know what my stance on that is.
     
    Life will find a way, ppl will come and play arma, AW stood for a long time and sure it will still be here when arma5 releases, heck not uncommon to see eu1 filled to the brim on some days and have 15-20 ppl on prarie fire at the same time. So i think the turnout on different gamenights is more of a reflection on the style and theme appealing to a more foused subset of interest rather than struggling to get new players to engage. I know i personally skipped gamenights just because it wasnt for my taste. Having those smaller number gamenights can show the interest of the community, and they are good to satisfy the needs of the few for their sacrifice on attending the more populated and laid back gamenights.
     
    That being said, the community lives because of the players, not because who is at the reins and what decisions they make if they make it by the rules and apply it equally fair instead of going for what feels right. And thats why i personally think whoever is on any responsible role and holds another at a different community will not have the time to mingle and get to know the community, keep their fingers on the pulse of the community.
     
    And yes, i think the incentivicasion of recruitment (attaining zeus or admin priviledges with said medals on a webprofile insted of meritocracy at least thats what i heard from multiple credible sources, but i dont know much about that other community, thankfully have no personal experience with them, not here to advertise their greatness on how they handle things, to be frank i dont care at all) is bad enough, but its down to individual cases. I can understand the time needed to evaluate said cases, and happy to see it thoroughly investigated instead of applying a blanket ban/no ban statement rushed out the doors just to please the masses with pitchforks and torches. Lack of discussion and information, i see no reason to involve for example me in the decision, its the rules, agree or disagree, im here to have fun not get involved in drama, so i have no issue about not knowing what was happening and why until a decision was made. And if you ever ask me to sit down and read the gods knows however many pages of accumulate evidence and screenshots and all that crap, i'll beat you to death with a god damn rubber ducky.
     
    Most importantly, if we cant be honest with ourselves and admit when we made a mistake, how do we ask others to be honest with us. Losing years of friendships doesnt worth it. In my opinion, the ppl causing the issue moved on, unhindered by the drama, so why are we still spinning on this, just to make our days miserable? I say
     
    #DramaLamaGoAway
     
    Im still around on TS, and ill be as long as fun ppl are around, made some friends disagreed with them on a lot of things and agreed on a few more, and im not about to sacrifice the possibility of meeting new ones just because i have to sort out the not so friendly ones or have some disagreement sometimes. Even tho i disagree with you @Xwatt on a few points and how your call to open discussion's tone is shaping some ppls opinion already without prior knowledge on what actually happened or with partial information, i still think you are an honourable c*nt, we can agree to disagree sometimes.
     
    Cheers
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    Noah_Hero reacted to Gambit in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    well, with totally discarding due process, theoretically, yes. Toss out the rules to prevent unforseen future events and how ppl would react, predict the future, thats a feat no CS has ever posessed... hindsight is 20/20...
     
    I think its better to have incidents thoroughly investigated rather than try to satisfy the feels. The aformentioned leak of a document and the conflicting personal recounts of events from multiple ppl (i heard, for some reason lot of you find me with "oh i had enough of this drama" and i frequently make the mistake of asking hows your day) leads me to the conclusion, the witchhunt as @MidnightRunner called it, turned into the game of "lost in translation", pass the bits and pieces of personal ideas/eperiences, colored with bias goes around, thats fcking gossip, and i dont want to be in a community which would ban me based on somebody having a massive chip on their shoulder and finding me in a bad mood then start gossipping around that im a bad influence (although its true, that doesnt count as evidence) and shall be removed from existence.
     
    Due process, everyone follows, everyone is up to the same scrutiny.... everyone fights, nobody quits.
     
    Its sad in this day and age, where shadowplay exists these kind of decisions must be made on personal recounts of events, forcing CS to take sides in a word against word battle is just plain stupid.
     
    As i've been saying, the cause of the drama is totally fine, not affected by it, and yet we are here, about a month later still bitching about what could have been done. Dont get me wrong, reflecting on mistakes (not gathering enough evidence before we cry wolf for example) is a good thing, blaming one person whos hands were tied because of the way it was handled initially and blaming @MidnightRunner for calling a decision and following due process on a broken and partial case is unfair on so many levels. Everyone makes mistakes, we are all humans, mopping up after some other's mistakes and getting the blame for it is an absolute slog, i am not surprised the mood has been below the frog's ass all around.
     
    I stand by due process, without it we all fall into chaos.
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    Noah_Hero reacted to MidnightRunner in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    Honestly, I'm sick of being polite, I'm sick of trying to be fair in this fucking witch hunt. 

    You of all people, our ex community referee, should understand the burden of proof.
    The burden of proof was never satisfied, you would know this is you stayed around long enough to see the detailed report to staff from CS.
     
    I am also very disappointed that many "pillars of the community" would have been passing around a document supposed to be privy to Core Staff only. 
    There is only 2 places that could come form, the person who filed the report or the poor member of Core Staff who resigned after being disagreed with.  
     
    Fuck this victim complex. You among others tried to undermine the application of Ahoyworlds principles in some failed attempt to get your own way. The mob mentality ruled.
    But no Core Staff taking time to properly investigate and not just blindly ban people without evidence makes us the bad guys.
     
    Get real.
     
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    Noah_Hero got a reaction from possiblyEOD in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    This itn't true. From those medal, which all of us don't posess, you don't get any priviliges. It is just purely cosmetic on your profile-page (kind of like Steam-badges). Zeus priviliges only exist for those that host a mission as Zeus in that very mission and permanently for the two highest staff members as to sort out broken stuff. Admin priviliges are granted based on Leadership and if you're generally helping out.
    Other than that, I feared a ranty text again when I read the first lines of your text but am gladfull you proved me wrong, so thanks for keeping your texts civil!
     
    I tend to call out people if they are too rude and this time it's you @MidnightRunner. It doesn't matter how frustrating something is, stay polite in public channels.
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    Noah_Hero reacted to SkullCollector in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    For those who care about this already, it will be no secret that I was one of the admins playing somewhere else and reported to be recruiting for that place.
     
    One point in @Gambit's first post illustrates quite well how the situation was blown out of proportions based on falsehoods. The supposed multiple credible sources as stated in his post have conjectured an outside impression as fact. Frankly I would suspect this is the theme for most of the situation up to the report. No, you don't get admin or Zeus for collecting medals.
     
    From there, I would like to start identifying the crux of it. Several people have already duly pointed it out: Communication.
    I have been playing with that unit since the end of January. In these five months, I had had no points of communication from any other member of staff as to the nature of my stay there nor that I was to stop. It was a known secret from the start, but I had no qualms about it. I joined it during a phase of AW gamenights that did not interest me, such as Star Wars, and I had been itching to play larger-scale missions. My intention from the start was to enjoy one or two of those a month, having laid out a schedule for myself to play D&D on Sundays, clashing with the big missions there, and split myself for one event in both, here on AW and there.
     
    Here I will point out that the Discord Rich Presence mod was active twice in my case, when I had forgotten to disable it.
     
    At one point, I made good on a promise I had given a good friend to teach them about team leadership and tactics. I figured it's easier with a team to demonstrate with, so I invited others who have expressed interest in learning about it on their own accord. We did this on my local machine while on the AW TS. There was no affiliation with the other unit. Neither was there any semblance of milsim advocating besides trying to teach something proper, to pass on as playing by example like the AWE Veteran Programme already attempts to foster.
     
    Afterwards, I was told that an outside party was not happy with this. I figured they just wanted to be kept in the loop, so I noted that for next time, created a staff post asking what we think about trainings moving forward and closed that book. Had it been a big deal, I thought, I would have been approached about it. I was not.
     
    During all of this I was actively aiding the development of Frontlines spearheaded only by Dom and myself. Outreach under my lead was set to begin a new initiative of social engagement and even art commissions.
    I can say without qualms once again that my interests lay squarely with AW.
     
    Still a month before the report, I pinged Core Staff in a staff Discord channel in a rather inconsiderate manner to point out a lack of communication regarding AWE matters. This was minutes before an Outreach meeting and I was in voice chat with staff who were not in the other unit. Due to my frustration, I mentioned how refreshing it was to have good communication at the other place, naming it clearly in the knowledge it was already an open secret. I outlined their procedures and philosophy and held them in high regard during this.
     
    I still hope and stand by my opinion that we can discuss the accomplishments and shortfalls of other communities by virtue of example, without taking it as advocating for or against migrating.
     
    For several days surrounding this, but particularly a few days later, I noticed that a member of Core Staff was shadowing us on TS. When I switched channels, so did they, but they never spoke up. I had my TS set up to connect me to the Admin Atoll, because it is a better look than sitting in AFK-ish since I looked able to respond to inquiries. As soon as somebody else was in there with me, so was the member of CS. At one point thereafter, they sprang on the exact moment I was alone and started to interrogate me about supposed slandering of CS or recruiting for the other unit. This is recorded.
     
    This was the first time I had ever heard this was a concern. It was a decidedly dysfunctional way to begin the conversation.
     
    It was also the last time there was any attempt at communication prior to the report. I offered. I got no response.
     
    The report itself has been discussed at length in the thread. I don't know its contents or what incident it refers to.
     
    For me, none of this was ever a personal matter. It still isn't. The report was made with the right intentions and I will support it, because I have all faith that it was made from genuine concern.
     
    The report simply enabled a pervasive grudge working its way through the backstage to be brought to the foreground.
     
    When I resigned, I left an open letter to staff and in it mentioned in what light I came to see AhoyWorld. It's a place of mates. It's a place to meet new people, hear new voices and the stories they tell when you otherwise wouldn't. Most gaming communities get their people through active recruiting. Very few places live off their innate draw, yet AW does. You want to stay for the people, because AW is not competing as the best. It doesn't pretend to be either.
     
    When I realised I am serving as a wedge to drive people apart, I chose to leave. If there's a regret I have about this, it's that my wedge-like state wasn't communicated to me earlier for me to leave earlier.
     
    In the end, I would like to echo a sentiment from my resignation and I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up verbatim.
     
    When I first came back last year, could you imagine my delight when everyone stayed for the gamenight debrief? There was feedback, criticism, praise. Every single game turned into an opportunity to be better than the one before.
    If nothing else, I would ask to carry that spirit forward into more of what you do. Talk. Find common ground and define boundaries. Lift each other up through adversity and confrontation by knowing you will get through it when you realise you're rigging the same ship.
     
    There's my naval pun in an otherwise far too dry post.
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    Noah_Hero reacted to possiblyEOD in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    I didn't really want to comment here, as I didn't, and still don't, know exactly what happened. In fact, today was the first time I'd heard at all about all this, and in truth this thread, whilst being a good thing, has made me a little sad. It is a good thing to air grievances, but unfortunately bickering from either side is never productive, and it's sad to see it from some well known and well respected members of this group.
    I may be an Ahoyworld newbie, I've barely been here more than 6 months, and some of you have been moderating forums etc for longer than I've been alive, but I feel I have got to know many of you quite well since I've been here, and I've made some good friends, unfortunately some of whom I will almost definitely see less now this has happened. 
     
    At it's base level, this is a community based on arma (and squad (-: ) primarily. None of us (at least I hope) are here for the politics, and if you are, you're in the wrong place in my eyes. We're here to play arma, with, in my (possibly a little biased) opinion some of the best public servers around, some fabulous scheduled ops, and the best and friendliest online community I've been a part of. I hope I still see many of you on EU1&2, or playing along with AWE and ops, even if you take a less involved role or stop interacting with the social side of the community altogether, but overall I hope no one truly falls out. There's a good number of friends here for a reason, but if you do leave, I hope you find another group that's as friendly and accommodating as all of you have been to me, and hopefully we'll bump into each other again in the future.
     
    As I said, I don't know enough about this to make a decision, so I'm keeping a neutral view. If anyone wants to rant, complain, or just chat about this or anything else, feel free to PM me.
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    Noah_Hero reacted to Lindi in An Open, Constructive Platform Discussing The Current Issues Within Ahoyworld   
    I cannot reiterate enough this started way way before the actual admin report was filed. Weeks if not even months, the three hours of work is really not the issue. Had it been caught at the very start, maybe you would have faced an entirely different kind of attitude, you might have been able to speak and converse knowing you had the trust of your admins. Instead the situation was left to grow out of control. 
     
    I am very sorry to see a large portion of staff driven to the point of resigning out of frustration. It is a rotten feeling. Now I've spent more than enough time on this. Call me a witch hunter, tell me I'm trying to intentionally under mine the spirit of Ahoy and tell of every "pillar of the community" off. It should be a fair warning to anyone who aspires to become staff on Ahoy or currently holds a position..
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    Noah_Hero reacted to MidnightRunner in Statement relating to Loss of Public Staff members   
    Note to all members from the Core Staff team:
     
    As several of you have already noted the public staff team has been reduced in number, I will detail here what information I can while respecting the privacy and confidence of those involved.
     
    On May 20th Core staff received an admin report (Note 1) against 2 members of staff. Within 3 hours a member of Core Staff concluded in favour of the report and took action against one of the reported parties, removing them from a staff role they held, this is not in line with the standard practice for admin reports (Note 2). 
     
    In the days that followed Core Staff followed the procedure noted below in Note 2. 
    We believe that our ability to investigate the situation in the manner described in Note 2 was harmed by the way the report was handled initially. This fostered an "Us V Them" mentality and likely led to the reactions explained in the next paragraph.
     
    During this time following the demotion of a staff member, several members of staff aware of the demotion and of the admin report (aware of its existence but with no access to its content) came to the conclusion that the reported persons were guilty and should be banned. 
    Some even stated that they would resign should Core Staff not find in their favour.
    Core Staff asked for calm while they completed a proper investigation into the matter.
     
    Following the several day investigation Core Staff met and reviewed all the gathered and available information and found that there was no clear evidence that a rule had been broken. There was what could be called circumstantial evidence but nothing more. 
     
    A number of members of staff unhappy with decision resigned, including the member of Core Staff who had acted in error in the first instance.
     
    Core staff believe that they acted with fairness to all parties in mind.
    We would be setting a worrying precedent if staff members were allowed to dictate who was guilty without reviewing the evidence first, especially in the case of an admin report. (Note 3) 
     
    I would like to stress that other than the person described above no members were removed from a staff role.
     
    The nature of these events is unfortunate and regrettable.  Many of the staff members who resigned were members whom I call my friends, and I along with the rest of the Core Staff team would like to thank them for all they have done for Ahoyworld during their tenure and wish them the best in the future. 
     
    If anyone has any questions relating to this please direct them to me and I will be happy to share any information I can while respecting the privacy of those involved.
     
    Regards,
    Midnight
     
     
    Note 1
    An Admin report is the tool available for members to submit a report relating to a member of staff. It is similar to that of the "Player Report" function except an Admin Report is visible to Core Staff only. Both can be found along the top bar of the forum under the report heading.
     
     
    Note 2
    The normal procedure when Core Staff receive an admin report is to spend a number of days speaking to those involved and collating all available information on the matter before meeting as a team and reviewing the information gathered and making a decision on the matter.
    This allows Core Staff to  investigate a situation thoroughly, with discretion taking our time to come to a fair conclusion on the issues reported.
     
    Note 3
    Staff members are routinely included and their conclusions used in respect of player reports but not Admin reports as it would not be appropriate. 
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