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I dont see a need to be rude here, especially not rudely telling people to disappear, just because they play games elsewhere too.
 
I personally havent played on Arma at AW for a while, but I still check up on the website to see how things are going, and I still meet up with friends on the TS in the social channels. One thing I will say is that old members, and people who are here less often, are still members of the community, no matter if they play arma elsewhere.
From my time here I know that the TS is open for more than just EU1 chat, and has been for many years. I've seen people use the TS for so many things, from just chatting, to playing games, even interacting with people to become more fluent a new language. And ive not seen people complain about empty channels in the TS being used for that.
Many of the 'Splitters' dont mean anything bad by Ahoyworld, hence why we come back and chat in the TS or go on the forums. I dont want to see Ahoyworld fall in a trap like this, its an amazing community with massive potential. So much that it brought all of us together without any recruitment, almost all of us just joined the game from the arma server lists and kept coming back for more because it was so good.
Ahoyworld for me has been a strong part of my life, its been there ever since I got my PC and got into playing this type of game. Over time my tastes have drifted from EU1 to EU3, MSO and now other adventures. Yet I still like AW and want it to flourish, so that others can find it and enjoy it like I did.
I want to see us all move on from this, there's no need to point fingers or get judgmental over peoples decisions.

Let's just archive this thread, at this point there is nothing to gain by making more drama or digging up dirt. I get that there may be a different discussion to be had about Core Staff. But tbh I find the whole ordeal that happened on AW last summer a sad and disheartening part of my Arma career. AW will always be the place I started in Arma, and I think it's the same for many.
So lets reminisce on the good points, not a low point. Use a different thread to discuss a different situation.
Happy new year!

I dont see a need to be rude here, especially not rudely telling people to disappear, just because they play games elsewhere too.
 
I personally havent played on Arma at AW for a while, but I still check up on the website to see how things are going, and I still meet up with friends on the TS in the social channels. One thing I will say is that old members, and people who are here less often, are still members of the community, no matter if they play arma elsewhere.
From my time here I know that the TS is open for more than just EU1 chat, and has been for many years. I've seen people use the TS for so many things, from just chatting, to playing games, even interacting with people to become more fluent a new language. And ive not seen people complain about empty channels in the TS being used for that.
Many of the 'Splitters' dont mean anything bad by Ahoyworld, hence why we come back and chat in the TS or go on the forums. I dont want to see Ahoyworld fall in a trap like this, its an amazing community with massive potential. So much that it brought all of us together without any recruitment, almost all of us just joined the game from the arma server lists and kept coming back for more because it was so good.
Ahoyworld for me has been a strong part of my life, its been there ever since I got my PC and got into playing this type of game. Over time my tastes have drifted from EU1 to EU3, MSO and now other adventures. Yet I still like AW and want it to flourish, so that others can find it and enjoy it like I did.
I want to see us all move on from this, there's no need to point fingers or get judgmental over peoples decisions.

not monitoring, brought to attention, when it was relevant, at the time of the original "incident", i brought it up, to demonstrate the twofaced approach and friendly "we could get together and coexist" bullshit. couldnt back then, hence ppl left, wouldnt work now, as per previous posts shown nothing changed
 
as for me, i couldnt care less where ppl play, said it back then, saying it now again. if they find a place where they are happy, im happy. what boils my blood is, some ppl werent happy here, made it very public they dont want to be mixing with the plebs, and now trying to crawl back to the very place they themselves left after berating it, claiming membership in a community theyve never truly made an effort to be part of.
 
if you ask me, i would be the happiest if certain individuals would go and just play someplace else and never look back, best of luck. im not mad about recruiting, take whoever wants to go, they would go with or without incentives.
 
but for some reason, when a discussion about certain absent corestaff members and questions arise, somehow eeeeevery one of yous crawl out of the woodworks, with the support "reactions" to the isolated groups posts and mocking reactions to anything else, like it always happened, thinking we are talking about you. nah, i know im not alone with this, but i for sure forgot you lot existed, not relevant anymore. i wasnt going to reply to siege's post, because i saw nothing that we never knew or needed to explain, yet some mocking had to be done right? and then the audacity to consider THAT, part of the community? couldnt let that slip
 
as ive said earlier, you lot chose to be part of another community, shape that, make the best of it, good luck.
 
as per the original intent (as best i could piece it together)
we know certain corestaff members arent as active as they were before, nothing new there, life changes, what can you do, im certain there is a removal after specific time period, but one thing is for sure, its voluntary, some days might not permit some staff members to be active as life gets in the way, and they sacrifice their free time.
 
simply, as i see it, the servers are up and running, problems fixed in matter of hours tops, nothing to really complain about. the incident was closed, and had community meetings, a streamlined decision-action protocol made public would be nice, but ultimately, every ban, as on eu1 is considered and treated on a case-by-case basis, which i have no problem with, so that concludes the "would be nice but not necessary" argument, im sure corestaff had a discussion about it, and might have an internal document or an agreement, just to get everyone on the same page and dont have to go off on gut feelings, which if kept under the lids, is for a good reason (for one, not making it public would make it harder to find and exploit loopholes)
 
 

I dont see a need to be rude here, especially not rudely telling people to disappear, just because they play games elsewhere too.
 
I personally havent played on Arma at AW for a while, but I still check up on the website to see how things are going, and I still meet up with friends on the TS in the social channels. One thing I will say is that old members, and people who are here less often, are still members of the community, no matter if they play arma elsewhere.
From my time here I know that the TS is open for more than just EU1 chat, and has been for many years. I've seen people use the TS for so many things, from just chatting, to playing games, even interacting with people to become more fluent a new language. And ive not seen people complain about empty channels in the TS being used for that.
Many of the 'Splitters' dont mean anything bad by Ahoyworld, hence why we come back and chat in the TS or go on the forums. I dont want to see Ahoyworld fall in a trap like this, its an amazing community with massive potential. So much that it brought all of us together without any recruitment, almost all of us just joined the game from the arma server lists and kept coming back for more because it was so good.
Ahoyworld for me has been a strong part of my life, its been there ever since I got my PC and got into playing this type of game. Over time my tastes have drifted from EU1 to EU3, MSO and now other adventures. Yet I still like AW and want it to flourish, so that others can find it and enjoy it like I did.
I want to see us all move on from this, there's no need to point fingers or get judgmental over peoples decisions.

This has diverged significantly from the actual point and has definitely lost the constructive and mature vibe that @Xwatt was going for (easily forgotten, 18 months-ish later).
 
If people weren't truly part of the community, then there is no point complaining about "losing" them, or them being "recruited" away, because they were never part of the community, right? You can't both have problems with people not joining in and simultaneously declare they've never been part of the community. 
 
As for monitoring people's activity in other places, that's just really weird. Not singling anyone in particular out for this, as I know a number of people were doing it, seemingly long after everyone else considered this issue dead and buried. I would rather they had put this effort into actively promoting AW in places such as /r/FindAUnit and on Twitter etc, as unfortunately Arma 3 is an old game, and only new players find communities via the server browser. AW's strength has always been the sense of community and friendship that is centred around Arma, though ends up going in myriad directions with other games being played long into the night until people remember they have "real lives" to wake up for in the morning and they should probably get going. There are subgroups within AW, but by and large we could all get along enough to make a decent game of Arma happen 9 times out of 10.
 
I implore you all, as the unintentional centre of this storm, to stop taking this stuff personally and to - more broadly speaking - just communicate properly. My decision to play with another group was not personal, it was simply practical (I don't like Arma that goes outside of the range of "modern history to near-future", and there was a Star Wars campaign happening, so I had an Arma day free.). My decision to become far less involved in the community has been mostly a result of people taking this kind of thing personally, and feeling like people were observing me and taking notes constantly. It left me feeling like there was no place in AW where I could continue as I always had been without someone in the room waiting for me to slip and say something that definitively broke a rule, just because they'd taken it personally. Hell, if they weren't in the room, it felt like they would be monitoring who was in the same room as me and that in itself would be a crime.
 
Soon after I started playing with this group, I let @MidnightRunner know, in case there was any issue from a staff PoV. He let me know there isn't, and that other people in AW play with other groups and that's alright (and I know that eg. @Norris was aware of at least one such other group and was fine with it) . As soon as anyone had taken any sort of issue with it, eg. discord rich presence, or that I'd streamed some games with them, etc, they were more than free to just ask me about it, and they'd have found me just saying "I want to play Arma set around nowish, with people who do things differently to us, to see if I can improve how I play Arma as I've only played it with you guys", and we'd have been sorted. 
 
tl;dr: It's nothing personal, AW needs to play to its strengths to attract new players. All Arma communities cycle through players, but the ones that survive or grow replace them by attracting new ones. You've got a really fucking gorgeous unique mission that I strongly believe that people need to know about - Frontlines. It deserves to be up there with Antistasi and Liberation in the lists of co-op game modes people should play. You've also got the DCS players that really have something good to push forwards with as well. I'm sure that there is plenty of good stuff for AW to be doing rather than shouting angrily at an 18 month year old thread.
 
@SiegeSix - there are better places to start the discussion on CS activity than in a thread dedicated to a different topic.

I feel that nothing dredged up here adds value or anything new.
 
What I have learnt from this (and we are all aware of my role) is that this is, in the end, a game. It should not affect you so much. Let people play where they want and and instead ask "what can we do to make this community thrive?".
 
Time to go outside, touch some grass, and stop dwelling on this.

Last I'll say on this before I leave this thread be as I don't see the current discussion evolve into anything other than pointing fingers and personal grudges. 😕
And as William mentions. This has diverged from the original point.
So? My point is that that shouldn't be an issue. I like a lot of different styles of play. AW offers missions and a style of play I really enjoy and like to run myself. Meanwhile there are other styles of play I go elsewhere for.

i've been holding back, not wanting to reignite a useless and dead conversation, since Siege didnt make a point, i didnt think it would warrant a reply, but the audacity here...
 
so you say you have many friends and come back to meet them, because you wouldnt meet them elsewhere. who got over to the other community? 99.9% of mso, mini even got the recruiter award for it, and yall still got the steam group dont you? and before you mention yall part of the community, you were never part of it. mso was dead meme, sound overdrive with the lead 2 singers, you lot forced your way into eu3 AFTER the community built it up.
 
need i remind you, mso was adjacent, never mixed with the "eu1 plebs" (yes, that is a quote, not naming names, you know who you are)
 
-or the mission which was streamed, and clearly captured when all of you shat on everyone, berated them for 2 hours ON STREAM, and collectively decided, to "fuck everybody, we do our own thing" then clearly disregarded everyone, fucked off with a plane and left the rest stranded (glorious teamplay moment right there, the pinnacle of arma milsim, or wasnt something along these lines the summary blurb of mso?),
 
-or the other regular gamenight, where "fuck them, ive got who i care about right here"
 
-or the massive advertisement campaign, when all of yous joined with the unit patch on, profile and all, then shittalked in the far corner, away from the "plebs". guess what, you werent that sneaky.
 
 
so, the point is, yall just sit in nav deck, circlejerk eachother, which you could do in the other community TS, you could make your own discord serever, its free. you dont mingle, you dont even try to get to know the community you call yourself part of, every single time you lot joined previous gamenights, with the sole intent of memeing and disrupting it.
 
interesting to see, the mso havent changed a bit, trying to carve a piece of the accomplishments out of somebody else's work...
 
i had many many late night run-ins with newcomers, who jumped into nav deck first, and you lot bullied them out of there in minutes, with fuck offs and more, then they jumped channels and found me and JJ sitting there, and told us all about it, asked if the community is like that. i personally dont want any of you to be the first experience of anybody who joins AW. scratch that, i dont want you to be any part of their experience. you chose to be part of another community, be there, form that.
 
dont try to tell everyone you are still AW members when you cant even recognize the regulars' voices, although you chill on the same TS, for years.

I dont see a need to be rude here, especially not rudely telling people to disappear, just because they play games elsewhere too.
 
I personally havent played on Arma at AW for a while, but I still check up on the website to see how things are going, and I still meet up with friends on the TS in the social channels. One thing I will say is that old members, and people who are here less often, are still members of the community, no matter if they play arma elsewhere.
From my time here I know that the TS is open for more than just EU1 chat, and has been for many years. I've seen people use the TS for so many things, from just chatting, to playing games, even interacting with people to become more fluent a new language. And ive not seen people complain about empty channels in the TS being used for that.
Many of the 'Splitters' dont mean anything bad by Ahoyworld, hence why we come back and chat in the TS or go on the forums. I dont want to see Ahoyworld fall in a trap like this, its an amazing community with massive potential. So much that it brought all of us together without any recruitment, almost all of us just joined the game from the arma server lists and kept coming back for more because it was so good.
Ahoyworld for me has been a strong part of my life, its been there ever since I got my PC and got into playing this type of game. Over time my tastes have drifted from EU1 to EU3, MSO and now other adventures. Yet I still like AW and want it to flourish, so that others can find it and enjoy it like I did.
I want to see us all move on from this, there's no need to point fingers or get judgmental over peoples decisions.

I dont see a need to be rude here, especially not rudely telling people to disappear, just because they play games elsewhere too.
 
I personally havent played on Arma at AW for a while, but I still check up on the website to see how things are going, and I still meet up with friends on the TS in the social channels. One thing I will say is that old members, and people who are here less often, are still members of the community, no matter if they play arma elsewhere.
From my time here I know that the TS is open for more than just EU1 chat, and has been for many years. I've seen people use the TS for so many things, from just chatting, to playing games, even interacting with people to become more fluent a new language. And ive not seen people complain about empty channels in the TS being used for that.
Many of the 'Splitters' dont mean anything bad by Ahoyworld, hence why we come back and chat in the TS or go on the forums. I dont want to see Ahoyworld fall in a trap like this, its an amazing community with massive potential. So much that it brought all of us together without any recruitment, almost all of us just joined the game from the arma server lists and kept coming back for more because it was so good.
Ahoyworld for me has been a strong part of my life, its been there ever since I got my PC and got into playing this type of game. Over time my tastes have drifted from EU1 to EU3, MSO and now other adventures. Yet I still like AW and want it to flourish, so that others can find it and enjoy it like I did.
I want to see us all move on from this, there's no need to point fingers or get judgmental over peoples decisions.

Why are we reopening this discussion after 1,5+ years? I'm getting a bit tired that this is being brought again so long after the fact. Everyone else seemed to have moved. on...
The issue has resolved the way it has. It could have been handled a lot better by everyone who was involved. What else is there still to talk about?

This is by no means a comprehensive list of thoughts. Some sections are not as well formulated as others and while I am tired of the discussion flaring up again I am happy to further elaborate to to help understand my point of view.

The people that left did so out of their own choice. They were dissatisfied with an aspect of the community and decided to look for what they want somewhere else and found it. Some of them were happy to still play with us but felt unwelcome after the above events and thus have not shown their faces as regularly as they would like. Is it not possible to be part of two communities or must we dedicate ourselves to one singularly?

I think it's a disservice to (the choice of) the people that left to say they took each other with them. Especially saying they took people with them they barely spoke to. We are a community that engaged with each other much more than some of us might realise and we did very much transcend the little cliques some people perceived. Plenty of people shared the concerns. Some stayed, some chose to leave.
 
This bit is vague and unfinished. what is your point? I'm not sure what you mean with people getting punished. All the people that left staff positions did so in protest to the decision made. What punishments are you talking about?

In general I think you're looking at this too black and white in a world of greys. According to the interpretation of the community rules there was no ban-able offense. Just people going somewhere of their own choice because they heard of another place that offered something they were looking for that we weren't offering. 

This whole thing could have been handled better by everyone. How and why are discussions we've all had on forums, discord, Teamspeak and any other channel the community has spoken with one another. Lessons learned if something like this ever happens again.

Whatever is done in regards to the events of 2021 is done. Everyone else has moved on. I think it's a shame to linger on it so long after and to re-open a discussion I have not heard anything from by anyone else since.

Hmm yes I do wonder where Chris is at this time of need...
 
 

I was an FA before I got Zeus, so I am bound to not be a jerk to you, but yeah, you're not really a part of this community anymore.  And if you don't mind, why in the heck are all you splitters using our TS?  There are players I care about and do what I can to make their experiences on EU#1 as good as I can and you're just a non-entity to me.  I know Siege said I'm the nicest guy that says no bad words, but please, disappear so I can keep my rep.
 

Yesterday was the first I heard of this, so I dont have all the facts and all of that.
I've been trying to comment on this since yesterday, but I find it really difficult and I don't know what to say. 
It kinda feels like i'm the child of some messy divorce

That being said, its important to me that AhoyWorld is an open community where you are free to roam between here and other places, even as staff.
No one can force anyone to stay here.
As long as you are doing your job as staff here as well as expected of you, then you can do whatever you want wherever you want as long as you are not representing AW.
Whether you can take on staff roles at other places aswell, might be a different story, but I don't think that has happened here? 
 
I would also like to say that no one can blame the one making the report.
A report is simply saying that "Hello, there is something here I think you should have a look at. Here is what I see, do what you would like with this information".
It's then up to the ones who receive this report to decide what to do with it and how to deal with it.
 
I cannot say anything about how the case was handled, as I first learned of it yesterday.
What I will say is that I think there should be a full postmortem with a blameless root cause analysis where you go over why this happened, why the outcome became as it did (And what the outcome is, I don't feel like this has fully played out yet), and what we should do to prevent this in the future.
This has to be led by corestaff (Or a mediator, but they would need full access to the report and all the closed forums involved in this).
It would also have to include the reporter, the one being reported on, all the corestaff and anyone who decided to step down and leave, in order to get the full picture.
 
I would like to challenge all the involved party members to participate in this as it will help not only AW grow, but the whole arma community. (It might also be good for all the parties to get to talk together with everyone having good intentions)
 
Lastly, I would like to say that while this sucks, there are a lot of people here showing a lot of emotions, which tells me one thing:
WE ALL CARE DEEPLY FOR AHOYWORLD!
We might not always agree on the path we should take or how to get there, but in the end, I see a whole lot of people that care a lot and that is good.
It also means that tempers flare sometimes and feelings get the upper hand.
We are all humans, we all make mistakes, including staff.
 
 

You used to be able to reserve vehicles and/or ask a moderator, who were generally on all the time with at least one of them, to reserve a vehicle for you. The same also went for reserving roles, I myself used to ask moderators to reserve a vortex role when one opened up as it was one of my most played roles back when I played EU1 nearly 24/7 on the old server. That worked fine, may still be possible but it's been an awful long time since I used to do that, so long that people have actually forgot you could do it, it seems.
 
It seems nowadays we've turned to a "first come, first serve" so it seems there is actually no rule against camping the spawn and stealing vehicles from others, as no one can truly claim over a vehicle. Hell, I've had people take my tank the moment I get out of it for a moment at base, I've told staff and they've said "first come, first serve" on the vehicles which was funny, and I could never seem to prove I had it in the first place.
 
And I know what you're on about with dumping vehicles, I was going to take an IFV reward but it got taken, I thought fair enough and waited for the other reward and before I could take that, the same person had dumped their IFV in the field and respawned to take it. Magically enough also, he was single manning the vehicle, which I still don't understand why that is allowed.
 
I agree with you, some rules to stop it would be nice. As for staff problems, I believe fixing them and employing players with good standing and good activity on the servers would help with fixing it. Sure you can't fix every problem, but trying never hurts.
 
I know some servers utilize a commander, who maintains the mission and make sure things go smooth. They sort out squads and handle the issuing of vehicles and other assets. Naturally, these servers have an incredibly good standing and playerbase, something like that here could be good. Though, perhaps I&A4 has something like a Platoon Commander that will act as that, I'm not sure, I don't really pay that much attention to it given the time.
 
Mind you, the all-mighty I&A4 mission may fix the problem, as we have dedicated crew slots.
 
Also, thank you @PiranhA, it annoys me also.
 
Honestly, if EU2 takes off and becomes a regular mission, perhaps light modded with a sense of cameraderie, communication and general cohesion on what is going on, then I'll feel like my prefered EU1 style will have returned. And, if you like to utilize vehicles on a regular basis, it may be worth trying  that out as you will actually get one reserved. But, do as you want, I'm not here to tell anyone what to do.

SANDbox-game😁😉

Tanoa is very nice, unlike most other Arma 3 maps it isn't just a 14km square of sand. with the occasional road.
 

We would like to hear your thoughts and opinions on including the Tanoa map in AWE's map pool.
 
Tanoa is an amazing terrain and we feel that it would be a valuable addition to AWE's map lineup, but we also understand that it will reduce the accessibility of the server to anyone that doesn't have Apex.  However, Apex DLC has been out for 3 years at this point, and has been on sale/bundled together with the base game for a good while.
 
We have chosen to ask you, the community, to help us decide, because in the end you're the ones that will be playing!
 
It should be noted that Gamenights will still be able to use Tanoa, whether or not the poll passes.
 
Poll will close 3 weeks after posting.

iirc last Tanoa poll was like 40 to 1 and it still wasnt included. Hope this one turns out different.

EDIT: btw its been brought up by Mouldy that the poll I'm refering to was not official. Plus different staff team then, different decisions.

I remember last time it was literally everyone voted yes and 1 person voted no. That one person that voted no was Colsta, who owned AWE and therefore wasn't allowed.
 
What a great community decision.
 
Hopefully this time we have an unbiased, proper poll for this. So far, it seems good.

I much like this change.