kman Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Following talk about ACE Advanced Ballistics training and Ryko's post here: I set on to find what it all means and how it works, because my previous attempts to play Marksman on AWE gave VERY chaotic experience.Now I know why. Advanced Ballistic test on AWE 31.7., COx Gauntlet Altis test is aimed on how does Advanced Ballistics work with selected High-Powered scopes First set of tests done on non-Marksman position (spawned as Rifleman) Weapon: MK 18 Mod1, ammo: 5.56mm Mk262 1) Trijicon ACOG TA648RMR (marksman scope with 6x magnification but no dialing - only fixed reticle)RESULT: scope is hitting according to reticle and with quite OP magnification for non-marksman 2) SUSAT L9A1 (primarily Autorifle/LMG scope with 4x magnification and VANILA dialing: 100m,200m..up to 600m)RESULT: scope is hitting according to simplified vanila Arma dialing 3) TA31RCO (magnification is not listed, but feels like 3x to me, yet scope has MIL dialing)RESULT: scope is hitting according to ADVANCED BALLISTICS - target 434m away is not hit on 4.3 MIL (like it would be on vanila) but rather 3.4 MIL as suggested by ATragMX after proper input Second set of tests done in Marksman slot Weapon: MK 11 Mod 0, ammo: 7.62mm M993 1) Trijicon ACOG TA648RMR (marksman scope with 6x magnification but no dialing - only fixed reticle)RESULT: scope is visibly over-shooting when using Reticle. Since it's fixed reticle, it is likely because it's not made for 7.62mm calliber. 2) SUSAT L9A1 (primarily Autorifle/LMG scope with 4x magnification and VANILA dialing: 100m,200m..up to 600m)RESULT: scope is hitting according to simplified vanila Arma dialing 3) TA31RCO (magnification is not listed, but feels like 3x to me, scope has MIL DIALING!)RESULT: scope is significantly over-shooting when dialed to "7" (vanila value for 700m) When dialing 5.7 MIL value offered by ATragMX, it is only slightly over-shooting, it is possible I do not have proper Gun&Ammo values (I'm suspecting Ballistic Coefficient) 3) AMS (3x-10x magnification sniper scope has MIL DIALING)RESULT: same as TA31RCO - slight over-shooting when using ATragMX value 4) Leupold Mark 4 ER/T (max magnification not listed, but seems the same as LRPS - 25x, scope has VANILA dialing 100m,200m..up to 1000m)RESULT: scope is hitting according to simplified vanila Arma dialing - I call this "cheater sniper scope of the year" 5) LRPS (max 25x magnification scope with MIL dialing)RESULT: Just like TA31RCO and AMS, scope is affected by Advanced Ballistics and uses ATragMX values TEST RESULTS: Advanced Ballistics on AWE are governed by scopes used - MIL Dialing scope will enable them, even for NON-marksman position (currently only for TA31RCO) other scopes are not affected even if they are high-powered (SUSAT and particulary Leupold) Side notes: 1) Range Card is not pulling Gun & Ammo values when gun is equiped and loaded, making creating new Gun&Ammo combination in ATragMX impossible in-game This is definitely due to "Advanced Ballistics: Disabled" server setting - tested in Editor that they appear when this is "Enabled" 2) When MIL dialing scope is equiped, ACE Self-Interaction > Equipment is not offering "Set Zero Adjustment" option to correctly ZERO scope. This is also due to "Advanced Ballistics: Disabled" - verified in Editor. 3) Bullet Spin Drift seems completely turned off, even ATragMX is not showing any Windage values, despite Rifle Twist value entered in gun parameters (there should always be some Spin Drift, especially for longer ranges). I'm again suspecting "Advanced Ballistics: Disabled" Conclusion: Currently (31.7.2017) according to Ryko's information, we have these Advanced Ballistic settings on AWE:Advanced Ballistics: DisabledEnabled for Snipers: EnabledEnabled For Group Members: DisabledEnabled for Everyone: DisabledDisabled In FullAuto Mode: DisabledEnable Ammo Temperature Simulation: DisabledEnable Barrel Length Simulation: DisabledEnable Bullet Trace Effect: DisabledSim Interval: 0.0Sim Radius: 3000 This is actually not working like I thought it was. I will enumerate: 1) "Advanced Ballistics" Having this disabled (in conjunction with second setting) is NOT making AB exclusive to Marksmen, it is OVERALL module setting and actually prevents AB from functioning properly: * range card don't populate with Gun&Ammo data * MIL scopes can't be properly zeroed (default zeroing is always slightly off - confirmed in Editor) * likely cause of non-existent bullet spin drift and maybe other minor variables as well 2) "Enabled for Snipers" When enabled, this makes AB work, when any player shoots through MIL dialing scope, regardless of their slot or gun. (although AB is in crippled state if first setting is disabled) 3) "Enabled For Group Members" I have not been able to find what this actually means, but in editor I letf it disabled and AB was working fine for Marksman/Sniper purposes. 3) "Enabled for Everyone" According to some sources I red, this is the setting that would cause Server FPS problems when enabled. However testing in Editor, I can confirm this will STILL NOT affect NON-Dialing scopes and Vanila-style "Step-scopes" 100m, 200m, 300m.... 4) "Disabled In FullAuto Mode" When enabled, this prevents FullAuto weapons like Autorifles and LMGs equiped with MIL-dialing scopes from being affected by AB (verified in Editor). If we want AB enabled, this should be ENABLED TOO, to prevent lag should some Autorifleman find himself MIL scope and start spraying. 5) "Enable Ammo Temperature Simulation" - additionaly populates Range Card with information, how does temperature of Ammo before shooting (e.g. ambient temperature) affects Muzzle Velocity due to influence of temperature on powder-burn speed, when bullet is fired. "Cold" gunpowder burns slower and lowers Muzzle Velocity. 6) "Enable Barrel Length Simulation" - complicates entering Gun data into ATragMX if you use silencer, since it will affect Ballistic Coefficient of the gun. 7) "Enable Bullet Trace Effect" - when shooting high-calliber bullets with high-powered scope, you will actually see Mirage caused by your bullet cutting through air. Pretty. Suggestions for changes: Following my testing, I would like to suggest following changes to AWE Advanced Ballistic settings and Scopes: 1) settings: Advanced Ballistics: Enabled Enabled for Snipers: Enabled Disabled In FullAuto Mode: Enabled All other settings to remain disabled and current Sim Interval & Radius values kept. 2) Scopes * Blacklist "Leupold" scopes for everyone, they bypass any AB settings and allow simplistic vanila targeting on extreme ranges (25x magnification). * Blacklist "Trijicon ACOG" scopes, they offer very hight 6x magnification and bypass any AB settings * I'm not sure about "SUSAT L9A1", it cheats the system like Leupold/Trijicon, but only have 4x zoom, ranges to 600m and is intended for LMG, that is perhaps reasonable. Maybe whitelist it only to Autorifleman and FSG? * I would also remove "TA31RCO", not because it's OP, but because it sucks. 3x magnification and requirement to use AB dialing to make it work. It's basically punishment, to issue this to troops. I would like to know, how does community feels about this.I'll be glad to share all things I learned during testing about Advanced Ballistis on training session, should we choose to make AB work properly. Lindi, ShadowAce11, Vlk and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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