Add an Offroad Repair to the helipads on EU 1 and 2

[Liru the Lcpl.]

I've seen so many choppers get grounded on the pads via a mix of fast mover strafing runs, friendly fire vehicle incidents, and bad piloting. Sometimes there's a competent repair specialist who is able to get to spawn and give the chopper a new main rotor but sometimes you end up having to demo the chopper because it becomes a liability. So I was just thinking, what if we just add a permanent repair vehicle within the landing zone at base in the same way as the fuel truck?

 

Just a suggestion :3

[Guest]

It's a hotfix not a permanent solution to the bad pilots. You might aswell make the landing pads -> repair pads. 

More vehicles will create more obstructions for pilots to land. = more crashes. 

 

Friendly fire should not happen and bad pilots should be asked to leave the slot if they don't vote to kick.

[Jason.]

2 hours ago, D.v.Brandenburg said:

Friendly fire should not happen and bad pilots should be asked to leave the slot if they don't vote to kick.

 

Friendly fire DOES happen, and there will ALWAYS be bad pilots.

Responding with what should or shouldn't happen is pointless since it's not a reality.

The reality is that there IS a problem, and there always will be a problem unless something is done about it.

 

Also vote kick does nothing other than cause others to spam the button which just makes dealing with the bad pilot even harder.

 

2 hours ago, D.v.Brandenburg said:

More vehicles will create more obstructions for pilots to land. = more crashes. 

 

Bad pilots will crash, we can't redesign the base to fit their requirements.

The repair vehicle idea will help to deal with the crashed helicopters, negating the problem.

 

Sure a few bad pilots may crash into the vehicle, that is a small disadvantage.

But the advantage of being able to repair helicopters that would otherwise be unrecoverable, is definitely worth it.

 

One thing I would add to the idea is that (if possible) make it so that the vehicle only partially repairs the helicopter. 

Meaning that it will be flyable but would need to go to the helicopter service to be fully repaired.

[xSniper1982]

This is what the Repair Specialist and Engineer are for...

unfortunately I don't think adding a repair vehicle is going to help much.

[Jason.]

13 minutes ago, xSniper1982 said:

This is what the Repair Specialist and Engineer are for...

 

100% right, but the problem is they're not always doing their job. So this can be plan B.

Bear in mind that things are very different on EU1 compared to EU2.

 

[Cebi]

Sling load repair truck inside landing/pick-up zone -> repair disabled heli -> extract repair vehicle from zone?

pro:

Even Ghosthawk can do this job.

Landing/pick-up zone is clear of obstructions.

cons:

Even though some species of monkeys should be able to perform this for some players this will be too much to handle.

[Liru the Lcpl.]

Alright, let's see what we've got...

 

Brandenburg, I agree, but that's not the topic I'm getting at here, if you want to discuss how to deal with bad pilots, do so here like we've already been:

Also Branden, the vehicle would be orientated the same way as the fuel truck, lined up in between both pads, so it actually would not be much of an obstruction as you think.

 

Sniper, as others have said, there isn't always a Repair specialist or Engineer on, hell, I've been on EU2 with 20 other people and not seen a single person take one of those slots in favor of other slots, so in those situations a repair vehicle at the pads would be appreciated.

 

Jason, 100% agree with everything you've said, thank you!

 

Cebi also brings up a good point on the pros and cons, and in the instance of towing vehicles into the helipads, yes I think that's a doable solution CURRENTLY but it's stuff like that that would cause what Branden's already mentioned: cluttering up the helipads so no one can land. Also, to have 1 or two downed choppers and then to use a third to have to sling in a repair vehicle is just adding more temporarily unusable choppers and by the time you get them all repaired after organizing the tow, it might just have been faster to use a vehicle's AP rounds to demo them and let them respawn.

 

All I'm recommending is a simple vehicle be added into a specific place to make life much easier when problem #243 occurs because the solutions to the problem aren't always available, even when you have a decent amount of players on. Sure, there's pros and cons, but, at least from what I can see, the pros outweigh the cons 10 fold. But hey, that's just my opinion, and it's up to our AhOverlords to make any decision on the matter.  Besides, Apex and I and A 3 are coming out soon!

 

Keep on discussing

 

[xSniper1982]

1 hour ago, Liru the Lance Corpral said:

Cebi also brings up a good point on the pros and cons, and in the instance of towing vehicles into the helipads, yes I think that's a doable solution CURRENTLY but it's stuff like that that would cause what Branden's already mentioned: cluttering up the helipads so no one can land. Also, to have 1 or two downed choppers and then to use a third to have to sling in a repair vehicle is just adding more temporarily unusable choppers and by the time you get them all repaired after organizing the tow, it might just have been faster to use a vehicle's AP rounds to demo them and let them respawn.

TL:DR version -
ASK FOR HELP/LEAD BY EXAMPLE

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If there isn't a Repair Spec around, ask someone if they'd mind switching for a moment to help you out.
It works, not everyone is selfish, some people are more than happy to change role for a few moments.

As for it being quicker to demo a vehicle than repair it...
Sorry to put it bluntly but, Bull....

10min respawn timer - Vs. - 5mins moving a repair vehicle to the pad and back.

once the Repair vehicle has been dropped off, the one that moved it is back in action... 2-3min.
The Helis that just repaired from said vehicle, can then move it back to where it was, or just move it off the pad... 1-2min.

 

The only issue comes when people refuse to leave their slot because;

a. Someone else will take their slot. (Especially frustrating for UAV, Sniper, Pilot roles)

b. They're really good with their current role and busy. (Usually Medics)

c. Are a total douche. (Most likely in common slots but unwilling to help team)

This is just another one of those situations that require a little effort from the Community, not just in doing these things themselves, but in showing OTHERS how to do it too.
Leading by example, I hate giving up my Sniper/Pilot slots to deal with repairs etc, but I will, because even though someone else is going to take the spot the second I step out of it, and usually be bad at it, it's not about the individual but about the team.

I know people want to find easy solutions to the problems of bad players/unfortunate situations, but the reality of it is simple...
Take the time to teach others how to be a part of the Community and ASK for help... not just once, not just in your own group... but EVERYONE on the server.
 

[Liru the Lcpl.]

3 hours ago, xSniper1982 said:

TL:DR version -
ASK FOR HELP/LEAD BY EXAMPLE

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Full version -

If there isn't a Repair Spec around, ask someone if they'd mind switching for a moment to help you out.
It works, not everyone is selfish, some people are more than happy to change role for a few moments.

As for it being quicker to demo a vehicle than repair it...
Sorry to put it bluntly but, Bull....

10min respawn timer - Vs. - 5mins moving a repair vehicle to the pad and back.

once the Repair vehicle has been dropped off, the one that moved it is back in action... 2-3min.
The Helis that just repaired from said vehicle, can then move it back to where it was, or just move it off the pad... 1-2min.

 

The only issue comes when people refuse to leave their slot because;

a. Someone else will take their slot. (Especially frustrating for UAV, Sniper, Pilot roles)

b. They're really good with their current role and busy. (Usually Medics)

c. Are a total douche. (Most likely in common slots but unwilling to help team)

This is just another one of those situations that require a little effort from the Community, not just in doing these things themselves, but in showing OTHERS how to do it too.
Leading by example, I hate giving up my Sniper/Pilot slots to deal with repairs etc, but I will, because even though someone else is going to take the spot the second I step out of it, and usually be bad at it, it's not about the individual but about the team.

I know people want to find easy solutions to the problems of bad players/unfortunate situations, but the reality of it is simple...
Take the time to teach others how to be a part of the Community and ASK for help... not just once, not just in your own group... but EVERYONE on the server.
 

 

I can counter this with 2 letters and a Number: EU 1

 

[Guest]

Well just play on EU 2 Then.

[Lt_Col_Bodo]

6 hours ago, xSniper1982 said:

TL:DR version -
ASK FOR HELP/LEAD BY EXAMPLE

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Full version -

If there isn't a Repair Spec around, ask someone if they'd mind switching for a moment to help you out.
It works, not everyone is selfish, some people are more than happy to change role for a few moments.

As for it being quicker to demo a vehicle than repair it...
Sorry to put it bluntly but, Bull....

10min respawn timer - Vs. - 5mins moving a repair vehicle to the pad and back.

once the Repair vehicle has been dropped off, the one that moved it is back in action... 2-3min.
The Helis that just repaired from said vehicle, can then move it back to where it was, or just move it off the pad... 1-2min.

 

The only issue comes when people refuse to leave their slot because;

a. Someone else will take their slot. (Especially frustrating for UAV, Sniper, Pilot roles)

b. They're really good with their current role and busy. (Usually Medics)

c. Are a total douche. (Most likely in common slots but unwilling to help team)

This is just another one of those situations that require a little effort from the Community, not just in doing these things themselves, but in showing OTHERS how to do it too.
Leading by example, I hate giving up my Sniper/Pilot slots to deal with repairs etc, but I will, because even though someone else is going to take the spot the second I step out of it, and usually be bad at it, it's not about the individual but about the team.

I know people want to find easy solutions to the problems of bad players/unfortunate situations, but the reality of it is simple...
Take the time to teach others how to be a part of the Community and ASK for help... not just once, not just in your own group... but EVERYONE on the server.
 

Can I get an AMEN for that ;-)

[xSniper1982]

2 hours ago, Lt_Col_Bodo said:

Can I get an AMEN for that ;-)

Nope, I'm a Pastafarian....

So you can get a R'Amen.

[Cebi]

I would like to point out that destroying disabled helicopters is against rules and should be frowned upon. If it can be recovered, you should atempt it first.

 

 

 

[Jason.]

@xSniper1982 I gotta admit you make a great argument and I really do wish that what you said is the solution.

In my experience on EU1 (almost 900 hours) I've gotten to know who all the regular and helpful players are, they are the people I know I can rely on to help out when problems like this arise.

I've been in and seen MANY situations where a player needs help (repair/medic/ammo etc) and communicates it clearly in side chat, in the rare scenario that somebody actually responds, 90% of the time that person would be a "regular".

 

My point is, in the times where there are no "regular" players available, it is very hard to find any player willing to help.

So for these times, the only solution I see is the offroad repair.

 

On 25/05/2016 at 11:44 PM, D.v.Brandenburg said:

Well just play on EU 2 Then.

 

How does this fix the problem?

People have been making really good points with different ideas on solutions and I respect all of them even if I don't agree, but this comment adds nothing.