EU 1 & 2 jet confusion - suggestion

[Buglet]

Hey guys,

So, I tend to fly quite a lot in EU 1 or 2, and whenever I get the chance I hop into the Buzzard AA. Recently I've been noticing a problem.

When I, or any other pilot on Bluefor flies the buzzard, a lot of people mistake us for an enemy jet, as we look identical to the opfor jets. When flying at 300m+ it's no surprise that those on the ground who look up instantly think we're enemy. Quite often. I find myself being shot at and locked on to by FRIENDLY troops who think I'm an enemy. Occasionally, even after saying repeatedly in side that there is a friendly jet in AO, I still see friendly troops shooting at me (I have PID'd people shooting at me as friendly a number of times).

I've even been on teamspeak and heard everyone in the channel say 'WE'VE GOT AN ENEMY JET IN AO!' when I fly over, and I'm forced to correct them before people start aiming titans my way.

The only fix I can suggest is give either bluefor or opfor a different jet, however I realise that this is easier said than done considering the differences in the jets in arma.

Just wanted to report this problem that I've been having

Buglet

EDIT: what I meant to say was that the enemy jets LOOK like the buzzards ... Similar wings, sound, etc...

[MessedUpSmiley]

The enemy CAS jets are always Buzzards.

[Buglet]

The enemy CAS jets are always Buzzards.

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Sorry, what I meant to say was that the jets are similar to the buzzards... I'm not sure why I wrote that pahahaha

Check the edit

[danne]

Being an admin that has been on EU #1 more or less daily lately, I can't recall a single time this has happened while I've been on.

There are several possibilities here

1. I have a really bad memory

2. Pilots haven't been too vocal about it when it has happened (I do try to follow up on all team kills I see though)

3. I'm totally clueless about what is going on on the server

4. This is probably not really a big issue

Could someone else provide another view of this?

Anything constructive messedupsmiley?

I forgot one

5. This happens, but not while I'm on the server.

[Buglet]

Being an admin that has been on EU #1 more or less daily lately, I can't recall a single time this has happened while I've been on.

There are several possibilities here

1. I have a really bad memory

2. Pilots haven't been too vocal about it when it has happened (I do try to follow up on all team kills I see though)

3. I'm totally clueless about what is going on on the server

4. This is probably not really a big issue

Could someone else provide another view of this?

Anything constructive messedupsmiley?I forgot one

5. This happens, but not while I'm on the server.

Not sure what to say to that, as it affects me very often. Almost every time I fly over the objective in the buzzard. I'm almost certain that it isn't my fault as I always make sure to let people know, both over side chat and in teamspeak, that there will be a friendly buzzard over the AO - even more so, sometimes people acknowledge what I've said, putting an 'ok Harry! good luck' into side chat or something. Yet I still get shot at - and again, I'm certain that it's by team mates, as it happens even when I'm flying over an already-completed objective to give the people waiting on the ground a wave.

Perhaps it's just me - maybe I'm simply a terrible pilot and people are shooting at me as a way of telling me to get out that damn plane... But it happens.

[MessedUpSmiley]

First you are talking about:

 

 before people start aiming titans my way.

 Then:

 

Yet I still get shot at - and again, I'm certain that it's by team mates, as it happens even when I'm flying over an already-completed objective to give the people waiting on the ground a wave. 

 

 

Now, couple of things I find strange about this:

- You seem to be the only person with this problem

- Danne has claimed that this rarely happens when he is online

- Why are you flying within locking range over an AO?

- Are you being shot at by small-arms or AA missiles? Your two statements seem to kinda counter eachother.

- I have never, ever seen you online on TS3 or Arma (as Buglet atleast)..?

- If it is happening and you don't get any response, why do you not notify an admin if you know both how to use side channel and Ts3 anyways?

[Buglet]

First you are talking about:

Then:

Now, couple of things I find strange about this:

- You seem to be the only person with this problem

- Danne has claimed that this rarely happens when he is online

- Why are you flying within locking range over an AO?

- Are you being shot at by small-arms or AA missiles? Your two statements seem to kinda counter eachother.

- I have never, ever seen you online on TS3 or Arma (as Buglet atleast)..?

- If it is happening and you don't get any response, why do you not notify an admin if you know both how to use side channel and Ts3 anyways?

- I get shot at by both small arms and AA

- I don't report to an admin because the issue is not something that needs immediate attention, at least to me. I have never actually been shot down. I just get targeted/shot at

- often enemy jets are within locking range of AO, thus I also must be to provide effective AA at the AO

- I have only recently started playing under the name of Buglet (literally last couple of days)

As I said, I am as clueless as you are by this. I don't want to come here and say there is a problem with the whole server that demands attention, I am merely reporting an issue that I, along with some of my friends and other pilots I've seen, are having. Next time I'm online I would be happy to gather some footage of me being mistaken for an enemy jet.

[danne]

To be clear here. I didn't mean I didn't believe that you've been shot at. But I haven't experienced any problems like this. And believe me, some people are very vocal about if stuff like this should happen to them. It just hasn't happened enough for me to see it as a problem on our servers.

But exchanging the aa buzzard to any of the other planes, and if we are talking about reducing mistakes like this the only choice would be the wipeout, creates a big problem. That enables a single pilot to reduce the enemy forces considerably by himself leaving scraps to the soldiers on the ground and that is not how it's supposed to be. And believe me, that will happen enough to be a big problem. Been there, done that.

The aa jet is more or less there to give the pilots a something else to do besides ferrying people back and forth and to keep the sky clear of enemy threats to the helicopters. The CAS support is supposed to come from UAVs (yea, I know, they are glitchy at best)

[David]

Not seen it mentioned here but as you're an AA buzzard the only time you'd need to fly over the AO is if there is an enemy jet, it only seems logical therefore that when you fly over there is an enemy jet there too. If not, why are you flying over?

[DakimDragco]

I guess Ducky above me has a bit of a good point. CAS and AA jets should keep a relative distance to the AO (not buzzing over them) until they get called in for a air threat in the area.

 

Also, the way most people are, it doesnt realy matter what you fly, there are always some who mistake anny jet, or even chopper, for a enemy at some distance. This is a natural and somewhat understandable mistake that just happens, even on EU3 sometimes (EU3 has rather stricter rules regarding Jets and Choppers at AO's making this kind of thing rare, but not unheard of)

 

Either way, i would sugjest taking some video evidence of it happening if you can, that way we can see what situation prompts this to happen. 

 

Last but not least...............when an AO is completed, i do believe there is a small chance there are stragglers (enemy) still in the AO, it could be that what you mistake for Friendly Fire, is infact a lone AA enemy still lurking in the AO somewhere. Not sure if I&A requires 100% of the enemy targets to be killed or not for a mission complete though?

[Iranzan]

Flying a lot on EU1 i have never been shot by friendly AA missiles.

 

Most of the time no Missile Specialist even carries AA, most go for AT (which is a problem in itself). And even if the AO is completed (red circle is gone) there might still be enemy AA soldiers/vehicles down there for a few seconds.

 

Don`t get me wrong this could still happen, i have been shot at by a lot of things by now, but friendly AA is so rare that i can`t remember this happening at least once right now, neither to me nor others when i was online.

[Buglet]

Thanks for all the replies guys. Seems like I'm the only one getting this problem! I'll see if I can get some footage of this happening if it occurs again.

Like I've said, I'm just as confused by this as it appears a lot of other people are. There is every possibility that I'm wrong!

Thanks again for all the help

[David]

Chances are it's enemy AA, they can stray outside the red area (which means it's no longer counted) occasionally and there's a threshold of enemy in the red to complete the AO. Imagine 50 people running around trying to find 1 guy with no ammo left lying down in reeds. I think it's about 5 or 6 so you could easily have an AA spec left over.

[MessedUpSmiley]

David, little inside question:

Do the AA footmobiles also spawn as Air-defense squads or just in a regular squads which consist of a missile specialist, which could be 50/50 AT/AA.

Else it would rather be chance of 1:14 for the last guy being a 'Missile Specialist (AA)'.

I think it's enemies =<7 for the AO to get completed.

[DerRoteKoyote]

its more the problem you use a side reward (gorgon) or the mora a other skin not the hex camo will help i think a little bit ...and Igiload script will be fine its very annoying to pick up some stuff inside a truck or hunter...one mag another one rocket a 2nd ..20min later cant play a  minimal logistic @ this point the heli pilots forget to drop the ammodrop, a map marker for the base aa the bros on the server even dont check thats a aa defens on base exist ..-next time i use google translator