Vortex appreciation

[Theronas]

Hello everyone.

 

Although I'm not very active in the forums, I do spend most of my Arma time on Ahoyworld. 

I would like to write down here a few things regarding the Vortex group, since some of the foot grunts do not seem to understand a few of the basics. Best way to do so is to tell you about yesterday .

 

I was piloting a ghosthawk for about 2 - 3 hours, this included Base ---> AO and back as well as evacs and so on.

 

Just on a side note (no, I'm not boasting), i actually didnt get shot down or crashed even once during that time. It was a good run.

 

At some point, a mission spawned not too far from Base. I carefully marked a LZ on the map pretty close to the AO with cover behind a hill, and set down at the Base pickup LZ to get players to board.

 

As the players slowly started boarding, there was a passenger who started whining about why the Miniguns don't fire. After telling him that I (Pilot) had locked them as there was no need or use for them at the time, he started whining even more that what if this and what if that, and why the hell not. I replied by telling him that it's the pilot's responsibility and decision as to when and if the miniguns are to be locked or unlocked. He then started to become pretty rude, and insulting. I didnt care to much of that though. 

 

As soon as the ghosthawk was full, I took off from base in direction of the LZ at the AO. A few seconds after lift-off, an enemy AA spawned right between the base and the AO. I immediately broke to the right and went fast and low. At the same time i had missiles incoming so i naturally had to release some chaff (anti missile flares) and kept going. 

 

In the mean time, that same rude player started talking trash again and insulting me, and telling my why im going the wrong way. I proceeded to tell him that an AA spawned and is firing at us. He chose to ignore that and call me a retard and what not. I made a large circle around the AA to get to the LZ that i had originally created on the MAP.

On the way, there was a lot of enemy missiles incomming, and as i was trying to avoid them he kept on ranting about my brain problems, and that I am a really bad pilot and so on. He then started yapping about why I am releasing Chaffs, theres nothing near us, but fact was that my AA warning system was beeping like crazy most of the flight.

At some point i run out of chaffs, and went really low and took cover in between some hills between the AO and the AA location and hovered at very low altitude between hills, trees and whatever cover there was. Under normal circumstances, a pilot would have pulled out of that situation/area as the AA comming from both the AA site and the AO was pretty severe.

I continued and actually managed to get the passengers to the designated LZ, and dropped them off safely. As that one guy exited, he left me a nice little goodbye speach on my mental brain issues that he decided that I have.

Anyways, I made it back to base safely and logged out cause i was literraly fed up.

This is not a rant post from my side. I want to lay down some rules from a pilot's point of view to the foot grunts that take our services for granted, and I just thought that i would also tell you about my experience yesterday.

Now to make things really clear for everyone here, its pretty simple.
 

• The pilot is in command of the aircraft, NOT the passengers.
• The pilot decides which waypoints to fly to get to a destination.
• The pilot decides where the LZ should be, not the passengers.
• The pilot decides when a gunner on HIS aircraft will be allowed to shoot and also on which target. The gunner must obey the pilot at all times.
• The pilot decides (if there are several LZs) which LZ to go to. Sure, passengers may suggest or ask, but in the end it's the pilot's decision.
• Never remove an LZ that a Pilot has placed on the MAP at an active AO unless you are the one who marked it. All you foot grunts are too lazy to walk, and set the LZs as close as possible without even knowing what is going on at the AO. 
• If you as a passenger do not agree, or don't like these rules, take the next air lift, or drive/walk yourself to wherever it is you want to go, but do NOT insult the pilot and be a wise ass.
• Not every pilot sucks or is bad. I know that on Ahoy most of the time there are crappy pilots, but that does not mean that you people can flame or insult all pilots.
• At the end of the day, its a game. If a pilot gets shot down, or whatever, nothing really happened except that you might have to click your left mouse button once on the respawn and wait for a few mins before the next lift to the AO is ready to serve. Stop with the insults. Without us pilots, you wouldnt even be playing here.

 

Some people try to play this game in a serious manner. I know that i do. Me flying is more than just a game. It means:

 

• I (the pilot) am responsible for the Aircraft. That aircraft costs MUCH more than your uniform, rifle, and medkits that you are carrying around with you. I am obliged to avoid damage.
• I (the pilot) am responsible for your lives when you are aboard my aircraft. Keeping you alive is my highest priority. That is why only the pilot decides where to land and so on.
• If i do get shot and land, and the chopper is damaged, i don't just abandon it. I try everything in my power to get a repair team to come and fix the chopper, or i set an explosive charge to blow it up so that the enemy can not salvage it. (I know, some rules may not be in sync with this, but in the real milsim world, thats the right thing to do).

 

This is by no means a rant. I just wanted to point out a few things that can become frustrating at times. Sure, this is a public server, and sure, some people are not pros or experienced. But if your not willing to learn or accept rules, then be gone. This is not a training gallery.

 

Have fun and see you ingame.

 

Theronas

[Amentes]

If someone is flaming you in chat, keep in mind that Admins can see this on tools even if not on server.

 

Should you find yourself in this situation in the future, please don't hesitate to seek assistance, as this kind of behavior on server isn't acceptable.

 

Despite this, and for anyone else reading this post, I'll ask you to remember that we are indeed on the internet, and an insult or two along the way is unavoidable. Please use good judgement on what is excessive flaming and what is ordinary internet douchebaggery.

 

While I'm sure Admins would prefer being rid of all insults on AW servers, that simply isn't feasible

[Theronas]

Hello Amentes, and thank you for your reply.

 

However you missed the point of my post .

 

My post was not meant to be a rant, nor a complaint. I just wrote down my experience in order to be able to post what a pilot's role is more or less, hence the bullet points i wrote.

Forget the story of my experience, and that guy who was being rude, I'm way past that already. (I'm 40 years old, it takes a bit more than a kid's insults to tick me off).

I just wanted to let the normal foot soldiers know who's in charge of the aircraft and the aircraft's actions. Nothing more.

Be sure that if i think that I need to complain, i will go through the proper channels to have my issues heard by the appropriate people in charge.

 

I just want the foot soldiers to read this thread, and to understand what vortex is, and more important, what it isn't.

Regards,

Theronas

[GamerbugUK]

Nice post but unfortunately the thing is, those that read the forums pretty much know the etiquette for a pilot and his responsibilities; so you are pretty much preaching to the choir here.

 

Those that treat you as this guy did will probably never come here or get what you are saying/doing, it's a shame but true.

 

I'll look for you on the field sound like a solid pilot to ride with.

 

 

[Stanhope]

31 minutes ago, Theronas said:

I just wanted to let the normal foot soldiers know who's in charge of the aircraft and the aircraft's actions.

Although i certainly like the idea behind it, unfortunately it's most likely not gonna work.  THis simply because the people that don't know what you said in the first post don't come on the forums.  Don't get me wrong i (as a player) agree with all the points from the first and those from the second set (except the last one from the second set).

If, at one point, you do decide that something someone said and/or done did cross the line you can always do one of the following:

-If it was typed, make an admin aware.  Yes we have our tool open but we (well at least me) aren't looking at it all the time.  

-If it was said/done you can send in the recording of it to: https://forums.ahoyworld.net/whistle/

 

EDIT: why do people always post the same thing as me at the same time? 

Edited April 27, 2017 by Stanhope

[Theronas]

58 minutes ago, Stanhope said:

Although i certainly like the idea behind it, unfortunately it's most likely not gonna work.  THis simply because the people that don't know what you said in the first post don't come on the forums.  Don't get me wrong i (as a player) agree with all the points from the first and those from the second set (except the last one from the second set).

If, at one point, you do decide that something someone said and/or done did cross the line you can always do one of the following:

-If it was typed, make an admin aware.  Yes we have our tool open but we (well at least me) aren't looking at it all the time.  

-If it was said/done you can send in the recording of it to: https://forums.ahoyworld.net/whistle/

 

EDIT: why do people always post the same thing as me at the same time? 

 

Yes, you are right.

Ah well, in any case, atleast my forum post count will go up.

 

I guess one solution is, next time someone is being disrespectful in flight, i'll just turn the chopper around and take em all back to base, and let everyone else who was nice do pushups as a group punishment for the offender

It worked well on full metal jacket .

 

Regards,

Theronas

[GamerbugUK]

30 minutes ago, Theronas said:

 

Yes, you are right.

Ah well, in any case, atleast my forum post count will go up.

 

I guess one solution is, next time someone is being disrespectful in flight, i'll just turn the chopper around and take em all back to base, and let everyone else who was nice do pushups as a group punishment for the offender

It worked well on full metal jacket .

 

Regards,

Theronas

 

Yes but we can't beat the offender with towels and soap bars

[Theronas]

A pillow case will do just fine, with a few cans of cola 

[Theronas]

@ Stanhope.

 

I just found one of your older threads dating back to 2016. I didn't want to post in that old thread, so i'll just say here what i think about it.

 

I think its the best idea i have heard in a very long time. Maybe its time to talk about this idea again? It makes sense. Let the pilot have the power to make such decisions. Sure, there will always be goons who might abuse it, but i think the pros outweigh the cons here in this situation.

The thread in question is: 

That would actually be a great asset. I vote for this idea.... Any other takers or thoughts on this?

 

Regards,

Theronas

[GamerbugUK]

5 minutes ago, Theronas said:

@ Stanhope.

 

I just found one of your older threads dating back to 2016. I didn't want to post in that old thread, so i'll just say here what i think about it.

 

I think its the best idea i have heard in a very long time. Maybe its time to talk about this idea again? It makes sense. Let the pilot have the power to make such decisions. Sure, there will always be goons who might abuse it, but i think the pros outweigh the cons here in this situation.

 

That would actually be a great asset. I vote for this idea.... Any other takers or thoughts on this?

 

Regards,

Theronas

 

I think that topic got kicked from pillar to post, overidingly it was a no.

[Theronas]

Hi again,

 

You know, i have played on this other I&A server (I don't want to say which nor do i wish to advertise it), and i must say they have an interesting concept too. Not only about the Aircrafts, but in general their rules.

 

Examples are:

 

• Your only allowed to drive a tank or apc if you have a minumum crew, such as driver, commander, gunner. Otheriwse its not allowed to use that vehicle. This solves the issue for example of having 1 person take such an awesome asset into battle and loosing it due to not using it correctly.
• CAS may ONLY be launched if a specific target has been requested from within the AO. After that target is destroyed the CAS goes back to base on standby.
• A sniper can only go out if he has a spotter with him and they are together.
• Only crewmen can staff gunner positions in aircrafts.

There are a lot more rules like this on that other server, but im not going to go into it with details. And I'm also not mentioning this to be implemented here. 

The reason I do mention it is for the sake of realism in an awesome game known as ARMA 3. Its just for inspirational purposes. So the idea of giving a pilot more control over his aircraft would make sense. 

 

It all depends on how far you want to see realism, and also of course we do not want to burden the server itself (through loops in coding or whatever) to interfere with performance. Just for the sake of discussion though, some of these ideas are really sweet.

I dunno, im just rambling, im stuck here at work and can't wait for me to get ingame tonight.

Regards,

Theronas.

[GamerbugUK]

Time for me to be 'that guy' but it's a public server, and won't really work, and realism isn't really order of the day here; there - I stopped anyone else needing to say it.

 

AWEU3 for all that realism malarkey.

 

I mean they are good ideas, but just won't be implemented.

[Theronas]

I need to read up and see what it takes to be able to play on the AWEU3. I wouldn't mind from time to time to hop on to a more realistic environment. Since it seems that AHOW offers this too, it is of interest to me. Better than having to switch servers all the time, if i can have it all here at ahoy.

 

Sure GameburgUK, i fully understand that these ideas can't be implemented here (by the way, that other server is public too), like i said, i was just rumbling waiting for time to pass till i'm off work to be able to login to game .

 

1.5 hours to go.

 

Regards,

Theronas

[GamerbugUK]

6 minutes ago, Theronas said:

I need to read up and see what it takes to be able to play on the AWEU3. I wouldn't mind from time to time to hop on to a more realistic environment. Since it seems that AHOW offers this too, it is of interest to me. Better than having to switch servers all the time, if i can have it all here at ahoy.

 

Sure GameburgUK, i fully understand that these ideas can't be implemented here (by the way, that other server is public too), like i said, i was just rumbling waiting for time to pass till i'm off work to be able to login to game .

 

1.5 hours to go.

 

Regards,

Theronas

 

Oh I was just giving the typical response, A lot of good ideas are not implemented for those reasons, many I liek, but I do see the admins reasoning.

 

They could do with something between AWE and EU 1 in the mix; I don't want ACE, but I would like more cohesion etc.

[Theronas]

Yup, and also alot of these ideas would mean that an admin would have to watch over things all the time (not everything can be scripted), so having an admin just making sure that all the rules and additional stuff could be a pain when their time could be better spent fixing stuff, or ice cream .

 

Im just browsing the AWE forum, and i think i might give it a go to see. It all does look exciting there. 

 

BTW, i keep reading all over the forums about folks here being helpfull etc.... I wouldnt mind some lessons and a mentor to help me master the awesome power of a gunship (blackfoot/apache/etc). I would love to learn some tactics and ideas about those aircraft, since a proper manned and proper skilled CAS using a blackfoot can be really very effective. 

 

Anyone willing to be my mentor ? I'm willing to listen and learn.

 

Regards,

Theronas

[fir_nev]

Hello @Theronas,

 

Unfortunately, public servers do not have much restrictions because it is open to public. Those kind of 'smart alec' will never come here to post their opinions or ideas.

 

What U can do is to mute the guy (when U are not flying) by going to Map > Player > Name of irritating player > Mute. (Staff: It still can be done, right?)

 

AWE (EU3) has a restriction on pilot to infantry ratio as discussed in the Enhanced topics. So, depends on Ur luck when U get to fly MH-6 or Black Hawk.

 

Never flown with U before but I would like U to teach me more advanced landings as I can only do basic ones.

[Theronas]

1 minute ago, fir_nev said:

Hello @Theronas,

 

Unfortunately, public servers do not have much restrictions because it is open to public. Those kind of 'smart alec' will never come here to post their opinions or ideas.

 

What U can do is to mute the guy (when U are not flying) by going to Map > Player > Name of irritating player > Mute. (Staff: It still can be done, right?)

 

AWE (EU3) has a restriction on pilot to infantry ratio as discussed in the Enhanced topics. So, depends on Ur luck when U get to fly MH-6 or Black Hawk.

 

Never flown with U before but I would like U to teach me more advanced landings as I can only do basic ones.

 

Hey, hello fir_nev

 

About the AWE, by no means does it mean that i just want to pilot. Hell, with so many roles that exist I don't mind playing a number of different roles. I like playing AT/Marksman/Repairspecialist/Pilot/lazy-villager-looking-at-sunset-near-pyrgos/and so on. So I don't think that these restrictions would really bother me too much.

About you wanting me to teach you... I am by no means a pro pilot. Yeah, i can land, but don't think im like Dslyecxi who will land a littlebird between 2 buildings in a back yard wihtin seconds . I would prolly freak out if put in a situation like that.

But what i can do is, if you ever decide to fly with me that is, i can promise to try to get you to your destination alive. 

I know its not much, but hey.... atleast you'll live to see the beautiful sunset in kavala or pyrgos after a hard days work in the battle zone.

 

Regards,

Theronas.