pilots certification?

[daedalus]

i have been playing on eu1 a lot lately and a common problem is really bad pilots, people crashing into each other, taking really bad approaches and getting shot down repeatedly, or flying really unsafe.

 

is it doable for ahoy to  have an admin evaluate pilots and lock a couple slots to only be available to those who have been cleared as ahoy pilots? or even let the certified pilots boot the trouble pilots from the position if they are causing too much grief.

 

on nights where its really bad i have seen the server basically dry up from the ground troops getting pissed that they cannot get to objectives because of bad pilots taking up all the slots so the good ones cant fly. 

[S0zi0p4th]

Am gonna lock the topic 

 

And give you a answer 

 

Our public servers will  never have a Whitelist on any slot it's not the way we go 

 

Iff you see some one especially snippers and pilots not playing there role or be bad in flying ask them to leave or repor them to staff on TS 

 

Hope this helps and answers your question

 

greetings sozio 

[BloodInTheSand]

2 hours ago, D.Devil said:

It's not just pilots who need to play the role they chose, if a repair specialst or medic doesn't wanna play their role you can also come in contact with a Spartan or Admin to get it sorted. If people refuse to play the role they chose, they will also be asked to leave and if refused will be forced to leave so someone more competent can take it's slot and do the roles job.

 

Just cause no one is willing to help or answer doesn't mean you can blow half the shit up so you can start over again, there are many ways to work around an issue.

 

I'm of two minds over this. 

There are many ways to resolve an issue like this, and destruction of assets is rarely the best way to do it.

Contact repair specs. Contact an admin. If you're far away enough from everyone, get another pilot to pick you up and it'll respawn on its own. 

However when the server is incredibly busy these aren't always a possibility within any decent timeframe. When there's a load of players waiting at base or FOBs who are missing a pilot, the total inability to blow a downed bird seems to go against the otherwise simple and convenient nature of EU1/2/4

Of course that's just my feeling on the matter and I'll continue to respect the rules as they're written.

 

 

As for the OP of this thread - I'm all for helping more people to pilot as best as I can, and if anyone organises something I'll help to the best of my ability.

[fir_nev]

58 minutes ago, boeljoet said:

tldr:
these people are not doing bad becaus they want to do bad (like trolls or hackers)
these people come to the server hoping to fullfill a role in order to contribute to the team.

story time:
and the most obvious and guided ones are : pilot/uav
i have never heard a command figure say.good work autorifleman for taking out those guys

one of my earlyer heli crashes was for landing to close to a tree.
spend 10 minutes in chat asking for repair`s without reply ( not may people on server i should mention)
no admin or command structure. so what to do
went to teamspeak to find eu server 01 was empty.

messaged some people asking who i could contact about the rules for a downed heli
after some minutes i found a high ranked staff member who doesn`t seemed to be happy about another noob crashing a heli and he told me this.

"every pilot is responsable for theire own heli. if you fuck up you need to fix it.
ask for help in game
however after some time if you notice there is no one to help you out because people are incompetent,ignorent or just stupid
and you have done all you can you can blow your self up"
have crashed many more heli`s from that time (not gona lie)
and still learning from every crash i make (a pro has crashed more heli`s than a noob has flown)

 

 

Stick around more and you will find out who are the helpful ones. I did scold U for taking off despite having an AA battery nearby but that was today. We will try to assist down pilots whenever possible.

[Eagle-Eye]

There have been multiple topics on this already. IIRC, it's not really possible to create a black- or whitelist for a specific role (too time-consuming mainly), nor is it really what AW wants to do with EU #1 and #2.

 

When you see a bad pilot on, you can always give him tips and tricks (instead of the usual messages that appear on chat after a crash). Maybe even have another pilot take him aside for a moment to give a quick run-through of the basics.

If that doesn't help,  you can ask him to leave the slot for someone more experienced, and suggest he first trains offline.

Finally, if he doesn't (want to) leave, you can try to get a hold of an admin to assess the situation, but I don't think I've ever seen a pilot being kicked for bad flying.

 

As for the overall quality, I'm sure we can arrange trainings more often, similar to what we had with Cryo's event. If there's an interest, I'm willing to spend some time organising another one. 

[Amentes]

I've asked pilots to pick a different slot before Eagle, and yeah, sometimes one does have to get forceful.

[daedalus]

Amentes, that is the hardest part. we had one today that lost 3 fully loaded birds in under an hour to bad calls, including a collision with a friendly bird causing total loss of both aircraft. he refused to leave and kept coming up with excuses. A lot of the times bad pilots don't know they are bad.

 

i spend hours on heli hell practicing emergency landing, heavy hooking, and general flying. So i can be as effective and efficient as possible.  these guys don't even know enough to know what they don't know.

[Aegis_RVIR]

12 hours ago, daedalus said:

i have been playing on eu1 a lot lately and a common problem is really bad pilots, people crashing into each other, taking really bad approaches and getting shot down repeatedly, or flying really unsafe.

 

is it doable for ahoy to  have an admin evaluate pilots and lock a couple slots to only be available to those who have been cleared as ahoy pilots? or even let the certified pilots boot the trouble pilots from the position if they are causing too much grief.

 

on nights where its really bad i have seen the server basically dry up from the ground troops getting pissed that they cannot get to objectives because of bad pilots taking up all the slots so the good ones cant fly. 

Ill be dammed, there was a flight school like a week ago for bad/mediocre pilots. The post is still there if you look for it, maybe time to host another one?

[Aegis_RVIR]

12 hours ago, Eagle-Eye said:

Finally, if he doesn't (want to) leave, you can try to get a hold of an admin to assess the situation, but I don't think I've ever seen a pilot being kicked for bad flying.

I have seen people getting banned for being that, so this is flawed

 

12 hours ago, Eagle-Eye said:

As for the overall quality, I'm sure we can arrange trainings more often, similar to what we had with Cryo's event. If there's an interest, I'm willing to spend some time organising another one. 

Just give me some names and a date and ill host another one, I still have the map in my EDEN editor.

[daedalus]

Cryo when asked if they did the flight school the response was "i haven't done it, i don't need it"

 

you can bring a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

 

 

i would love to see another training session, but a bit more in depth than the last one and longer.

-only heli since jets are super rare on eu 1 at least

-how to recover from a lost tail rotor as well as how to take off/ land without one

- and a ground training portion covering how to read the map topography properly to choose ingress/egress routes 

[Chutnut]

Here is an idea. Add a small quiz to say what you do or how you do somthing in a situation. Make 5 or so questions and 4 or more correct gets you a pass.

 

[Aegis_RVIR]

28 minutes ago, daedalus said:

Cryo when asked if they did the flight school the response was "i haven't done it, i don't need it"

 

you can bring a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

 

 

i would love to see another training session, but a bit more in depth than the last one and longer.

-only heli since jets are super rare on eu 1 at least

-how to recover from a lost tail rotor as well as how to take off/ land without one

- and a ground training portion covering how to read the map topography properly to choose ingress/egress routes 

Daedelus, I must say. For a a new person on the forums you know how to give proper criticism. Not the annoying or the unhelpful one, but the good one.

 

I also must say, that it is (unfortunately) true that some people overestimate their qualities and refuse any help. In that case, you just have to wait to see the chat go insane with people complaining about his flying. Than ask again, most of the times they say yes.

 

I indeed agree on most things, however taking off without a tail rotor is something I advice against. I would say ask an other pilot to bring IED to blow up the helicopter and return to base, or if possible if the stars allign to get an off-road repair bright to you.

 

 

[Aegis_RVIR]

1 minute ago, Chutnut said:

Here is an idea. Add a small quiz to say what you do or how you do somthing in a situation. Make 5 or so questions and 4 or more correct gets you a pass.

 

Hmmm, might be worth looking into. Thanks!

[daedalus]

11 minutes ago, Cryo said:

 

I indeed agree on most things, however taking off without a tail rotor is something I advice against. I would say ask an other pilot to bring IED to blow up the helicopter and return to base, or if possible if the stars allign to get an off-road repair bright to you.

 

 

 

oh i don't recommend doing so either, but i have found it good for practice as it forces you to learn how to get to forward flight from a dead hover. 

[Chutnut]

Coming back to this, I thought of somthing to hopefully solve bad pilots. Add a script which disables a players use of the pilot slot for a certain amount of time, Say a pilot is not doing well, We disable his pilot playtime for a week giving him time to practice. We could also not allow players to fly until a week of playtime has surpassed.

[D.Devil]

On 1/15/2017 at 9:43 AM, Cryo said:

I indeed agree on most things, however taking off without a tail rotor is something I advice against. I would say ask an other pilot to bring IED to blow up the helicopter and return to base

No, no, no, no, no. There won't be any heli's blown up cause you've lost your tail rotor or something similiar, get a repair specialist, get another pilot to sling the repair container, get someone to drive the HEMMT repair over. If you're being caught blowing up an asset without attempting to get it fixed you'll face the consequences, you as a Spartan should know this more than anyone else Cryo.

 

To those who can't fly without a tail rotor or adapt to the situation you may find yourself? Don't be a pilot. There usually are enough Spartans or Admins available who also keep an eye on pilots, don't think we'll have a quiz or test, it would be too much of a hassle and whitelisting the slots won't work either on our public servers. Whitelisted pilots may not be online at all times to transport people from and to an AO hence it's open to the public and free to use. If a pilot is deemed reckless or simply can't control their aircraft they will be asked to leave the slot and practise in the editor, if they either ignore or refuse they will be forced to. Feel free to hop on our TS and find an Admin who is available to keep an eye on said pilot and possibly have him removed.

 

TS IP: Ahoyworld.net 

You can also find the TS IP on the map, zoom out and you'll find it, it's over the sea.

[TheScar]

apart from its a "old" reply from Cyro,this

13 minutes ago, D.Devil said:

If you're being caught blowing up an asset without attempting to get it fixed you'll face the consequences

 

is debatable.

Its based on Zissou´s advice 1 year ago as the repair specialist ability to repair+fuel choppers was included to repair choppers way out of base.

I never find that a "practicle" solution and i ll just refer to the "BinLaden" engagement as example.

Your chopper is broken (for whatever reason) and no help is to be seen > rigg that chopper and work your way back to base instant (respawn,walk,drive,get in another chopper).

When i pilot i usually wear min. 2 sets of explosives with me and if my bird is in a situation i see the need for it i got the ability to blow it whenever i decide to.

It just makes sense.

Even tho the "guidelines" (yea,its not a rule) says otherwise.

[Amentes]

Well. Now you know that you can stop carrying those explosives.

[D.Devil]

9 minutes ago, TheScar said:

apart from its a "old" reply from Cyro,this

 

is debatable.

Its based on Zissou´s advice 1 year ago as the repair specialist ability to repair+fuel choppers was included to repair choppers way out of base.

I never find that a "practicle" solution and i ll just refer to the "BinLaden" engagement as example.

Your chopper is broken (for whatever reason) and no help is to be seen > rigg that chopper and work your way back to base instant (respawn,walk,drive,get in another chopper).

When i pilot i usually wear min. 2 sets of explosives with me and if my bird is in a situation i see the need for it i got the ability to blow it whenever i decide to.

It just makes sense.

Even tho the "guidelines" (yea,its not a rule) says otherwise.

 

Point 4. 6. and 7. do mention assets are not to be wasted without an attempt to get it repaired, all 3 points mention assets are not to be wasted in their own way.

[TheScar]

so?

Not to start a argument about this,but these rules are on the forum,not on the server/mission file.

And it doesnt mention a timeline,too.

So when i call out for repair,how long you want me to wait for?

I might not mention i waited hours for (vehicle) repairs or walked back to base cause i got none?

Pilots need to transport people,not wait for repairs in the field.

 

I stick to my 6P rule.

Not cause i refuse to acknowledge your logic,but because i dont see the logic point in this (rule/guideline).

[D.Devil]

19 minutes ago, TheScar said:

so?

Not to start a argument about this,but these rules are on the forum,not on the server/mission file.

And it doesnt mention a timeline,too.

So when i call out for repair,how long you want me to wait for?

I might not mention i waited hours for (vehicle) repairs or walked back to base cause i got none?

Pilots need to transport people,not wait for repairs in the field.

 

I stick to my 6P rule.

Not cause i refuse to acknowledge your logic,but because i dont see the logic point in this (rule/guideline).

It's not just pilots who need to play the role they chose, if a repair specialst or medic doesn't wanna play their role you can also come in contact with a Spartan or Admin to get it sorted. If people refuse to play the role they chose, they will also be asked to leave and if refused will be forced to leave so someone more competent can take it's slot and do the roles job.

 

Just cause no one is willing to help or answer doesn't mean you can blow half the shit up so you can start over again, there are many ways to work around an issue.

[boeljoet]

tldr:
these people are not doing bad becaus they want to do bad (like trolls or hackers)
these people come to the server hoping to fullfill a role in order to contribute to the team.

story time:
and the most obvious and guided ones are : pilot/uav
i have never heard a command figure say.good work autorifleman for taking out those guys

one of my earlyer heli crashes was for landing to close to a tree.
spend 10 minutes in chat asking for repair`s without reply ( not may people on server i should mention)
no admin or command structure. so what to do
went to teamspeak to find eu server 01 was empty.

messaged some people asking who i could contact about the rules for a downed heli
after some minutes i found a high ranked staff member who doesn`t seemed to be happy about another noob crashing a heli and he told me this.

"every pilot is responsable for theire own heli. if you fuck up you need to fix it.
ask for help in game
however after some time if you notice there is no one to help you out because people are incompetent,ignorent or just stupid
and you have done all you can you can blow your self up"
have crashed many more heli`s from that time (not gona lie)
and still learning from every crash i make (a pro has crashed more heli`s than a noob has flown)

 

Edited April 10, 2017 by boeljoet
spelling mistakes (one of many)

[D.Devil]

19 minutes ago, boeljoet said:

"every pilot is responsable for theire own heli. if you fuck up you need to fix it.
ask for help in game
however after some time if you notice there is no one to help you out because people are incompetent,ignorent or just stupid
and you have done all you can you can blow your self up"

If you've given it a proper attempt to get someone to help you get your heli or any type of vehicle repaired and there is no Admin or Spartan to see if they can get people to play their role either then yes, you can blow it up or as mentioned above just leave it behind to respawn if no one is in the vacinity (500m I believe), if people are in the vacinity it won't respawn untill they've walked away far enough.

[boeljoet]

what about steam achivements.

ever tryed linking the slot to a achivement (code pilot can only enter heli if they got a achivement)

[Eagle-Eye]

2 hours ago, boeljoet said:

what about steam achivements.

ever tryed linking the slot to a achivement (code pilot can only enter heli if they got a achivement)

 

I'm a good pilot, but I never really bothered with the helicopter achievements, so that wouldn't work.

 

It's been sidetracked a bit due to RL stuff, but I'm still working on a flight school project. Once it gets airborne, that should help, I hope.