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Dai-San

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Now this is going to sound VERY strange to a lot of the players out there and will involve engagement of the brain and possibly some sort of reading skills.

 

How about people actually try READING the side missions and actually trying to complete them rather than just rolling in with a Growler or Slammer and blowing the INTEL or Person away and failing it?

 

Is it too much to ask that if all you want to do is kill stuff then stay at the main AO and leave the side missions alone.

 

There are some of us who actually like to take our time, get into position, plan an attack then try executing it to WIN the side mission and possibly more toys for you guy's to play with. I'm sick to death of spending 20 - 30 mins just getting in to the Side Mission area, finding a vantage point, scoping it out only to have a vehicle or a squad come charging in and failing the whole thing in seconds. they then shrug, call for EVAC and head off to the AO like nothing happened.

 

On a serious note, Can we not implement a no vehicle and AT zone for the Side Mission AO's? Vehicle re spawns when it enters the Side Mission Zone and AT do no damage?

 

I know it's a long shot but tbh at the moment Side Missions are a pointless frustrating exercise.

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Yes, randoms failing your carefully planned Secure Intel mission can be annoying, and I've felt that pain myself on many occasions.

 

That said, at this point I consider that part of the challenge of the mission. If you're doing it with a small team, you're under time pressure in that often you'll need to have it in the bag before anyone else arrives.

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Just something you have to deal with, i don't come across people like that often but when i do i'm just used to it, maybe tell them off in chat (not like they'll listen) and move on. I normally roll with some pretty good guys so like Amentes said we normally have it done before someone can ruin it for us.

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On 9-9-2016 at 0:34 PM, Dai-San said:

Now this is going to sound VERY strange to a lot of the players out there and will involve engagement of the brain and possibly some sort of reading skills.

 

If you take into consideration this post is on the ahoy forum were 99% of the people know how to play and read, it might be taken as an insult. The ahoy members are not the problem here, its the ones who arent a member who couse the problem.

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7 hours ago, PiranhA said:

 

If you take into consideration this post is on the ahoy forum were 99% of the people know how to play and read, it might be taken as an insult. The ahoy members are not the problem here, its the ones who arent a member who couse the problem.

 

So what you're saying is only members visit and read the forums?

 

If you really want to be that touchy and take it as a personal insult then you go ahead, I never stated it was members or non members who were the issue.

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It seems pretty clear to me that PiranhA was trying to provide some constructive criticism on good Forum etiquette, actually.

 

Some people might find it offensive, and when you consider that your target audience indeed is very unlikely to actually read your post, it's hard to see what you were trying to accomplish.

 

At no point does he imply that he himself is offended, he's actually trying to do you a favor by pointing out that you have nothing to win and some respect to lose, in making this particular post on this particular forum.

 

Calling him out for being "touchy" isn't a very diplomatic way to respond to that, then.

 

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that you misunderstood PiranhA's intent, but in the future, please consider taking a more diplomatic approach in your forum posts :)

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Please don't lecture me on good forum etiquette, I have been running and administering forums for many years and do not need your input.

 

Let's look at the facts.

 

Up until his post the time line was as follows.

 

I posted on here after a particularly frustrating session on server 2 where every side mission was failed or spoiled by a couple of the usual suspects either bringing vehicles to the side mission when the only possible outcome of that scenario is a fail. Or people using AT to the same end.

 

There were then a couple of ON SUBJECT posts (Yours included) which although I feel where a bit wishy washy and non committal and basically admit there is a problem but say that we have to play wacky races to finish the side missions were offering opinions to the subject.

 

At that point PiranhA took it upon himself to step in on behalf of ALL AHOY members (of which he isn't one by the look of his tag) and to point out that I was insulting afore mentioned members. There was no constructive suggestions to my original post at all, not even a "Suck it up" suggestion like the previous ones.

 

THIS could actually be considered trolling if taken by it's definition.

 

The reason I posted this on here originally is that I was playing on an AHOY server, not an IGN server or Bohemia server but an AHOY server and although I have tried explaining the way side missions work IN GAME it is not the easiest was to do it as you're chat disappears too quickly and the in game voice comms isn't for this purpose.

 

My  hope was that if just ONE person who does this kind of thing read it and thought "Hey, that's me that does that, so that's why the side mission fails" and didn't do it again it would be a win. but obviously this is not the helpful, receptive forum that I assumed it was and will not bother posting again with this kind of attitude prevalent.

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Dear Dai-San...

 

At first: I completely share you frustration if its about the side mission being wasted/failed by triggerhappy-lookatmeimarambodestroyingeverything-hero's. 

 

Secondly

11 hours ago, Dai-San said:

So what you're saying is only members visit and read the forums?

- It isnt a 100% members only forum, but the majority reading the forum are the active members im sure. I dont have the exact stats, but im sure the majority of the people wasting the sidemission dont even know theres a ahoy-forum. Let alone visit it, let alone read all the posts (including this one).

 

At last (in 2 parts):

32 minutes ago, Dai-San said:

At that point PiranhA took it upon himself to step in on behalf of ALL AHOY members (of which he isn't one by the look of his tag) and to point out that I was insulting afore mentioned members.

 

18 hours ago, PiranhA said:

it might be taken as an insult.

- I dont represent myself as ahoy spokesman but i do give my opinion as i did here before. The point i want(ed) to make is the following: the majority (you included Dai-San) of the ahoy members are very capable arma players. And with some searching on the forums, you find out the side-mission is the most discussed topic if it comes to invade and annex (together or thanks to the endless discussion about the side rewards). I didnt step up on behalf of ALL Ahoy but im 100% sure everybody on this forum knows how to play the side missions. 

-About me being a ahoy member: im quite well known in the community i think, most people like me and maybe some people dislike me for sure. Im here for over 2 years, being a member for about 15 months and for about a year a donator. Since David took over ahoy im a field ambassador, something i didnt ask for. My approach, specially if there were new players who had 0 experience is to introduce them to invade & annex and do some training, this includes explaining the side-mission.

 

In short

Side mission fails are frustrating.

Side mission fails are part of the game until the servers become private.

I had no intention flooring or insulting anyone.

The forum has a very limited reach if it comes to people who dont know what they are doing.

I prefer to help people in the game, also explaining the side.

I think you misinterpeted me or understood me wrong in my intentions.

My apologies for not being more accurate in my previous post and if any insult was given, my sincere apologies.

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Well it comes down to this, on the public servers we don't police the style of play. If someone wants to mess up the side mission then that's just how it is if you'd like more structured game then we offer eu3. But unless someone is actively breaking the rules we are not going to get involved. If you can wrangle everyone to play in the manner you would like them to play great but it's unlikely that we're ever going to implement rules that need policing on a continual basis. We can't make people play the way one particular person wants them to play nor are we even inclined to try. 

As to what piranha said, he's right the people messing up your side mission are not likely to be avid readers of the forum. In terms of side mission there is no one better qualified to talk about them than piranha, the guy has been a constant on our servers for as long as I can remember and has done more side missions than the rest of us combined. 

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@PiranhAnailed it.

 

I see why you are frustrated, I has happened to me before. You take time to sneak into the side mission and someone comes in guns blazging. Then I remember I am playing on a public server, where gameplay differs from player to player. It`s not supposed to be following chain of command, ROE, etc.., it`s a server where people come to have some fun, shooting AIs, competing who gets the most kills.

 

We have our Enhanced server that might suit you, see its subsection.

 

Now the offtopic rant:

Every member of the forum (not just AW members) has a right to post its opinion/suggestion/critique in a civilized manner. I believed no one crossed that line. They all stated their honest opinion that is equal to yours, they only added a "solution". I see no reason why you think they had a go at you.

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I agree that it can be frustrating when a side mission is failed by someone fluffing it with a poorly chosen AT round or tank shell, but to remove AT or vehicles seems harsh. There is often a fair bit of armour at side missions, and not taking those out is pretty much suicide, small arms aren't going to stop a tank. I think the most often seen message on the servers besides "any medics at the AO" is "we need AT at the side mission".

 

It would be lovely if those at side communicated, called out targets and what not to blow up etc, but it doesn't happen that often.

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What I usually do when I see a Intel side mission pop up, is say in chat that they should "approach with caution" or something similar. Depending on the play-style I've seen on the server in the last 30 or so minutes, I sometimes add a circle around and map marker at Side repeating what I said in chat, in a bright contrasting colour (usually, I use red, also because it signals danger to many).

 

While you're at side, you can also add map markers or repeat in chat often that you are doing stealth recon, and will call in when you need assistance.

 

I have no idea if that actually helps, but I like to think it does. :)

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